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09-20-2008, 12:40 PM
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Well said Gummer!
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09-20-2008, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Gummer
We all have our "conditions" ...... I'm a cranky old fuck ..... and you are full of yourself and over flowed.....
Dayum! .... I'd like to buy you for what you ARE worth ..... and sell you for what you imagine you are worth...... capital gains would kick my ass ..... but I'd still make a fortune ....
Anyone who attempts to consign all or even most of the blame for the mess we are in to any individual, group, or party is either dishonest or delusional ..... many of both parties have allowed and contributed to the mess ...... business interests (greed) ....... politically driven social interests (loans of all sort to the financially unqualified) ..... there is plenty of blame to go around ...... I'm far less interested in pointing a finger at the perps than fixing it......
If they would gather enough testicles in DC to prosecute the guilty (which is not likely) cast them out of politics and business and into prison for long terms .... and .... confiscate their ill gotten gains from their crimes ..... I'd go for that..... but we know from past experience there will be no more than a few hands slapped ......
What will be done to prevent future opportunities for such criminals?
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I'm wholly unconcerned about your opinion of me.
As to the topic at hand, you're getting closer but not quite there yet. I completely agree that there are many players involved, each of them with unhealthy practices.
The problem is, that these downturns are engineered by relatively unseen power brokers. The money trust. The reason they are engineered is to consolidate power, money and assets. Thinking that this is a result of ineptitude and a series of seemingly unrelated cock-ups is just as dangerous as the people hiding behind this facade. You may think the financial system is too complicated to control an engineered downturn, but you don't need to micromanage things to get the result you want.
Just as you cannot control the actions of every molecule and fish in a river, you can certainly guide it's flow by changing the banks and cutting new paths for it to follow. There is clear historical evidence that we live in an illusion of a free market system. The very existence of a central bank calls into question this illusion. If you have a system that relies on a private entity to print the money, loan the money and control the interest rates, and that private central bank continually and consistently lobbies of more power, floats a fiat debt based currency and manipulates markets with gov't approval... where is the free market?
What you wind up with is not a river, but a holding pond with a propeller at the edge and a drain in the center. This is the closed system. The propeller drives a fake current in circles until it forms a whirlpool and spirals down the drain, into the coffers of the entity that owns the propeller. Hmmm, kinda like a toilet. And just like a toilet, it must refill before you can flush again... boom and bust. Engineered cycles.
The water, flotsam and jetsam are all the players that think they are operating in a free market. You, me, small corporations, markets and the funds that play off of them... all are merely contained in a vast vessel of control owned by the private central bank.
So I say again, Ben, Alan, corps, markets... are all symptoms of the illusion, the illegal central bank is the cause. It's the core. It creates the illusion.
As for the slaps on the wrist... I'm tired of hearing people lament the position we find ourselves in and then look to the very politicians that have created and perpetuated the core problem for the answers. This is YOUR/OUR country. We call the shots. Our representatives are NOT leaders, they are public servants. Wouldn't it be amazing if for the first time in history, a people stood up and DEMANDED meaningful change before they are turned into feudal surfs? This is the trick of the illusion. They know that people only rise up after long periods of extreme pressures brought on by the ruling class sucking every last cent out of their pockets. So they have created a system that uses a cycle based on debt laden fiat infinitely expandable currency to grant the illusion that these are temporary tough times. What goes unnoticed is that nearly all the wealth has been taken up already. The dollar is worth $0.02 of it's original value as when it was actually backed by gold and silver. They've stolen 98% of our wealth... and charged us interest for the pleasure of it. NICE!
So... you can continue to point fingers at the players and speculate on how soon it will be until the illusion of boom times return... or you can wise up, shine a light on the core problem, inform your friends, neighbors and fellow pensioners of what the reality is... and maybe, just maybe... we can return the people to the position of power the founders intended.
As the founders directed... be ALWAYS vigilant of your gov't. Be skeptical of everything that falls from their mouths, and doubly so when it is said to pander.
It is the overwhelming rule of history, that the ruling class will starve the masses to line their own pockets if given the chance. Our apathy and willingness to be fooled is just that chance.
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09-20-2008, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Back Atcha
I'm wholly unconcerned about your opinion of me.
As to the topic at hand, you're getting closer but not quite there yet. I completely agree that there are many players involved, each of them with unhealthy practices.
The problem is, that these downturns are engineered by relatively unseen power brokers. The money trust. The reason they are engineered is to consolidate power, money and assets. Thinking that this is a result of ineptitude and a series of seemingly unrelated cock-ups is just as dangerous as the people hiding behind this facade. You may think the financial system is too complicated to control an engineered downturn, but you don't need to micromanage things to get the result you want.
Just as you cannot control the actions of every molecule and fish in a river, you can certainly guide it's flow by changing the banks and cutting new paths for it to follow. There is clear historical evidence that we live in an illusion of a free market system. The very existence of a central bank calls into question this illusion. If you have a system that relies on a private entity to print the money, loan the money and control the interest rates, and that private central bank continually and consistently lobbies of more power, floats a fiat debt based currency and manipulates markets with gov't approval... where is the free market?
What you wind up with is not a river, but a holding pond with a propeller at the edge and a drain in the center. This is the closed system. The propeller drives a fake current in circles until it forms a whirlpool and spirals down the drain, into the coffers of the entity that owns the propeller. Hmmm, kinda like a toilet. And just like a toilet, it must refill before you can flush again... boom and bust. Engineered cycles.
The water, flotsam and jetsam are all the players that think they are operating in a free market. You, me, small corporations, markets and the funds that play off of them... all are merely contained in a vast vessel of control owned by the private central bank.
So I say again, Ben, Alan, corps, markets... are all symptoms of the illusion, the illegal central bank is the cause. It's the core. It creates the illusion.
As for the slaps on the wrist... I'm tired of hearing people lament the position we find ourselves in and then look to the very politicians that have created and perpetuated the core problem for the answers. This is YOUR/OUR country. We call the shots. Our representatives are NOT leaders, they are public servants. Wouldn't it be amazing if for the first time in history, a people stood up and DEMANDED meaningful change before they are turned into feudal surfs? This is the trick of the illusion. They know that people only rise up after long periods of extreme pressures brought on by the ruling class sucking every last cent out of their pockets. So they have created a system that uses a cycle based on debt laden fiat infinitely expandable currency to grant the illusion that these are temporary tough times. What goes unnoticed is that nearly all the wealth has been taken up already. The dollar is worth $0.02 of it's original value as when it was actually backed by gold and silver. They've stolen 98% of our wealth... and charged us interest for the pleasure of it. NICE!
So... you can continue to point fingers at the players and speculate on how soon it will be until the illusion of boom times return... or you can wise up, shine a light on the core problem, inform your friends, neighbors and fellow pensioners of what the reality is... and maybe, just maybe... we can return the people to the position of power the founders intended.
As the founders directed... be ALWAYS vigilant of your gov't. Be skeptical of everything that falls from their mouths, and doubly so when it is said to pander.
It is the overwhelming rule of history, that the ruling class will starve the masses to line their own pockets if given the chance. Our apathy and willingness to be fooled is just that chance.
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This almost sounds like your taking a position, baacaca. Perhaps you might put it all in an evolutionary context? Bwajejejejeh. It's a fine noose for hanging your pathetic ass. Thanks. |
09-20-2008, 04:06 PM
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This almost sounds like your taking a position, baacaca. Perhaps you might put it all in an evolutionary context? Bwajejejejeh. It's a fine noose for hanging your pathetic ass. Thanks.
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Says the braindead sycophant
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09-20-2008, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Back Atcha
I'm wholly unconcerned about your opinion of me.
As to the topic at hand, you're getting closer but not quite there yet. I completely agree that there are many players involved, each of them with unhealthy practices.
The problem is, that these downturns are engineered by relatively unseen power brokers. The money trust. The reason they are engineered is to consolidate power, money and assets. Thinking that this is a result of ineptitude and a series of seemingly unrelated cock-ups is just as dangerous as the people hiding behind this facade. You may think the financial system is too complicated to control an engineered downturn, but you don't need to micromanage things to get the result you want.
Just as you cannot control the actions of every molecule and fish in a river, you can certainly guide it's flow by changing the banks and cutting new paths for it to follow. There is clear historical evidence that we live in an illusion of a free market system. The very existence of a central bank calls into question this illusion. If you have a system that relies on a private entity to print the money, loan the money and control the interest rates, and that private central bank continually and consistently lobbies of more power, floats a fiat debt based currency and manipulates markets with gov't approval... where is the free market?
What you wind up with is not a river, but a holding pond with a propeller at the edge and a drain in the center. This is the closed system. The propeller drives a fake current in circles until it forms a whirlpool and spirals down the drain, into the coffers of the entity that owns the propeller. Hmmm, kinda like a toilet. And just like a toilet, it must refill before you can flush again... boom and bust. Engineered cycles.
The water, flotsam and jetsam are all the players that think they are operating in a free market. You, me, small corporations, markets and the funds that play off of them... all are merely contained in a vast vessel of control owned by the private central bank.
So I say again, Ben, Alan, corps, markets... are all symptoms of the illusion, the illegal central bank is the cause. It's the core. It creates the illusion.
As for the slaps on the wrist... I'm tired of hearing people lament the position we find ourselves in and then look to the very politicians that have created and perpetuated the core problem for the answers. This is YOUR/OUR country. We call the shots. Our representatives are NOT leaders, they are public servants. Wouldn't it be amazing if for the first time in history, a people stood up and DEMANDED meaningful change before they are turned into feudal surfs? This is the trick of the illusion. They know that people only rise up after long periods of extreme pressures brought on by the ruling class sucking every last cent out of their pockets. So they have created a system that uses a cycle based on debt laden fiat infinitely expandable currency to grant the illusion that these are temporary tough times. What goes unnoticed is that nearly all the wealth has been taken up already. The dollar is worth $0.02 of it's original value as when it was actually backed by gold and silver. They've stolen 98% of our wealth... and charged us interest for the pleasure of it. NICE!
So... you can continue to point fingers at the players and speculate on how soon it will be until the illusion of boom times return... or you can wise up, shine a light on the core problem, inform your friends, neighbors and fellow pensioners of what the reality is... and maybe, just maybe... we can return the people to the position of power the founders intended.
As the founders directed... be ALWAYS vigilant of your gov't. Be skeptical of everything that falls from their mouths, and doubly so when it is said to pander.
It is the overwhelming rule of history, that the ruling class will starve the masses to line their own pockets if given the chance. Our apathy and willingness to be fooled is just that chance.
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Go lie under the porch with the rest of the puppies ..... none but the political rookies around here are buying your wisdom and knowledge ..... I fell off my turnip truck before your's was on a drawing board ......
We know what the problem is ....... If you want to impress me or anyone possessed of common sense ...... Tell us how you'd fix it.....?
..... and in response to that thing about being suckered into debt as a way of life (my words but you and i can agree on that fact) ....
I have been free of debt for 20 years ...... I figured it out when I sent a credit card payment in 12 days early and ....some how it "was late" and gave the lender the right to increase my interest rate from very low to the maximum allowed by (then) law..... since then it has only gotten worse ..... my advice to my children and all who listen is ...... if you can't pay cash for it ....YOU can't afford it ....... I make ONLY two "exceptions" to that wisdom ..... a home and an education ..... and then ONLY if one intends to dispense of the debt for education at the fastest pace possible.... a home purchase (if wisely considered) can work to our advantage ...... provided it was bought on a favorable loan to start.
That last paragraph is one of my standard rants..... feel free to ignore that bit of wisdom.....
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09-20-2008, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gummer
Go lie under the porch with the rest of the puppies ..... none but the political rookies around here are buying your wisdom and knowledge ..... I fell off my turnip truck before your's was on a drawing board ......
We know what the problem is ....... If you want to impress me or anyone possessed of common sense ...... Tell us how you'd fix it.....?
..... and in response to that thing about being suckered into debt as a way of life (my words but you and i can agree on that fact) ....
I have been free of debt for 20 years ...... I figured it out when I sent a credit card payment in 12 days early and ....some how it "was late" and gave the lender the right to increase my interest rate from very low to the maximum allowed by (then) law..... since then it has only gotten worse ..... my advice to my children and all who listen is ...... if you can't pay cash for it ....YOU can't afford it ....... I make ONLY two "exceptions" to that wisdom ..... a home and an education ..... and then ONLY if one intends to dispense of the debt for education at the fastest pace possible.... a home purchase (if wisely considered) can work to our advantage ...... provided it was bought on a favorable loan to start.
That last paragraph is one of my standard rants..... feel free to ignore that bit of wisdom.....
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My father was a dutch banker... needless to say, you and I agree on this point. I don't have a credit card and have no debt.
But that's not the debt I was talking about. Our currency, the little green pieces of paper in you wallet... they are fiat, debt based. You are not carrying around wealth in your wallet, you are carrying around a contract with the federal reserve to pay the debt created by the federal reserve. Gold is wealth... legal tender (which is NOT lawful money) is not, it's DEBT, a tradable note, an IOU. Nothing more... quite possibly, even less.
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09-20-2008, 06:56 PM
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Well said Gummer!
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Gummer you are correct but its much deeper, these crooks are small time compared to the Fed. Back Atcha you hit it right on the head and until the people wake up and understand whats going on, we are in a real troubled time!
Yeah i know I'm responding to my own reply and the reason is Back Atcha deserves the "well said" !! |
09-20-2008, 07:05 PM
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Says the braindead sycophant
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Not only does this not make sense, I'm thinkin baacaca has a brain virus and should plug into McAfee stupid eraser.
Where do I send my bill for the personal advice, buttwipe? |
09-20-2008, 07:18 PM
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Not only does this not make sense, I'm thinkin baacaca has a brain virus and should plug into McAfee stupid eraser.
Where do I send my bill for the personal advice, buttwipe?
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Hey, hows that poll goin' for ya?
LMAO.....
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