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06-24-2008, 01:26 PM
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Notice how not only does he claim to know, but he also has to attack the person asking the question.
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>>>Ah, er, pardon me, but I really ain't here to conduct a remedial economics course. All the sumbitch does is attack and ask open-ended questions to delay the inevitable revelation of his own stupidity. But if he wants to pay the tuition, I'll answer his questions.
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06-24-2008, 01:30 PM
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>>>Ah, er, pardon me, but I really ain't here to conduct a remedial economics course. All the sumbitch does is attack and ask open-ended questions to delay the inevitable revelation of his own stupidity. But if he wants to pay the tuition, I'll answer his questions.
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When confronted on the "deny and attack" response, the progressive we not modify his position, but will instead deny and attack even more vigorously, often claiming expert knowledge on the subject, though of course never providing any evidence to support these claims.
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06-24-2008, 01:34 PM
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>>>Ah, er, pardon me, but I really ain't here to conduct a remedial economics course.
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You failed to answer my question, did you complete high school?
Look, I'm not going to ask you to debate Austrian vs. Kenyesian schools, but it would be nice to know your general level of understanding.
Thus far you've refused to even define what you mean by "Voodoo." This indicates that you don't know what you mean - you are just repeating a phrase which actually has no meaning at all to you. Which is what I suspected from the start.
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06-24-2008, 01:47 PM
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Uhm, hate to point out the obvious to you Patriot, but energy price spikes have nothing to do with "voodoo" economics. After all, the last time it happened it was under you idol Jimmy Carter, and the Bush economy is holding up much better now than then.
Of course the above statement is stupid from an economic pov, however it was infinitely less stupid than the comments being responded to.
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The so called Enron Loophole aside re speculation, cutting taxes during wartime (for mostly the upper brackets) and paying for that war at least 40% of-budget certainly qualifies as voodoo. Lowering interest rates to the point of causing a huge bubble, with the encouragement of otherwise sober thinking conservatives in and out of gummint, can also qualify. (I remember the cons trumpeting the increase in home ownership, wihich is indeed a good thing. Now they say, "Let 'em rent!") Results are a weak dollar (one reason for the oil hikes) and maxed out credit cards, private and gummimental.
manly has cited 5% inflation, which has been low since Reagan's 2nd term, and lowish unemployment, not pointing out what those jobs paid. All them jobs don;t mean shit for folks if they don;t stay ahead of even that low inflation. And before anyone sez that's theliberalmedia's fault, folks know their own "kitchen table" situation.
No, Bush and the GOP were a careless about the tax cuts and the economy as they were Iraq...yes, and with Dem collusion.
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06-24-2008, 01:49 PM
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You failed to answer my question, did you complete high school?
Look, I'm not going to ask you to debate Austrian vs. Kenyesian schools, but it would be nice to know your general level of understanding.
Thus far you've refused to even define what you mean by "Voodoo." This indicates that you don't know what you mean - you are just repeating a phrase which actually has no meaning at all to you. Which is what I suspected from the start.
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Your tag is interesting. Reminds me of what libs said about Reagan, underestimating him and getting beat by him for over 20 years. Be careful you're not making the same mistake about Obama.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/op...ml?ref=opinion
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06-24-2008, 01:51 PM
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The so called Enron Loophole aside re speculation, cutting taxes during wartime (for mostly the upper brackets) and paying for that war at least 40% of-budget certainly qualifies as voodoo. Lowering interest rates to the point of causing a huge bubble, with the encouragement of otherwise sober thinking conservatives in and out of gummint, can also qualify. (I remember the cons trumpeting the increase in home ownership, wihich is indeed a good thing. Now they say, "Let 'em rent!") Results are a weak dollar (one reason for the oil hikes) and maxed out credit cards, private and gummimental.
manly has cited 5% inflation, which has been low since Reagan's 2nd term, and lowish unemployment, not pointing out what those jobs paid. All them jobs don;t mean shit for folks if they don;t stay ahead of even that low inflation. And before anyone sez that's theliberalmedia's fault, folks know their own "kitchen table" situation.
No, Bush and the GOP were a careless about the tax cuts and the economy as they were Iraq...yes, and with Dem collusion.
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Uhm, few of them do. First Nobin, the "enron loophole" was signed into law by Mr Clinton, not Mr Bush. So is Clinton a "voodoo economist"?. Second, getting into a war is a pure Kenysian economic strategy, not "voodoo economics". Cutting taxes during "wartime", could be seen as "voodoo", but these tax cuts were primarily done because of a feared recession, and again would qualify as much for Kenysian than "voodoo".
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06-24-2008, 01:59 PM
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Your tag is interesting. Reminds me of what libs said about Reagan, underestimating him and getting beat by him for over 20 years. Be careful you're not making the same mistake about Obama.
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You're "misunderestimating" me Noib, I'd almost prefer that Obama win.
The economy is going to get battered - fuel prices and the idiocy of ethanol completely fucking under food production ensure that.
Who ever is elected is going to bear the blame for that - it's not right, but that's the way things work in America. If Obama is elected - he'll be the last democrat in office for 20 years to come - bank on it.
I'm voting for Bob Barr - I'm not a fan, but he's better than the other two.
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06-24-2008, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Uhm, few of them do. First Nobin, the "enron loophole" was signed into law by Mr Clinton, not Mr Bush. So is Clinton a "voodoo economist"?. Second, getting into a war is a pure Kenysian economic strategy, not "voodoo economics". Cutting taxes during "wartime", could be seen as "voodoo", but these tax cuts were primarily done because of a feared recession, and again would qualify as much for Kenysian than "voodoo".
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You know I'm not a Clinton worshiper. His signing of the Telcom Bill was a disgrace. The Loophole, brought to us by McC's man Gramm, was part of an overall package, so I wonder whether Clinton even knew of it. Shame on Bubba (and certainly the GOP Congress) anyway.
We didn't get into this war because of a "it's good for the economy" strategy. And if the cuts were done for fear of a downturn, as you claim, then giving most to the already cash rich is just stupid. Voodoo again and the results have indeed affected oil prices upward.
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06-24-2008, 02:03 PM
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For all you out there that don't speak "progressivese", allow me to explain, this phrase basically translate to: "I am too stupid to know."
This phrase is a classic in illustrating progressive psychology. Notice how not only does he claim to know, but he also has to attack the person asking the question. Both are simple defense mechanisms where the progressive shows his obsessive need to prove his intellectual superiority over other humans. Of course being a progressive, this is impossible to demonstrate via the use of logic or reason, so instead the progressive resorts to his standard: deny and attack.
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Is that "progressivese" phrase attributed to George Bush?
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06-24-2008, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Noibn
You know I'm not a Clinton worshiper. His signing of the Telcom Bill was a disgrace. The Loophole, brought to us by McC's man Gramm, was part of an overall package, so I wonder whether Clinton even knew of it. Shame on Bubba (and certainly the GOP Congress) anyway.
We didn't get into this war because of a "it's good for the economy" strategy. And if the cuts were done for fear of a downturn, as you claim, then giving most to the already cash rich is just stupid. Voodoo again and the results have indeed affected oil prices upward.
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Never said that we did get into a war to help the economy, however the point was that such a move is Keynesian and not "voodoo economics". In short, I am challenging your notion that voodoo economics is everything you don't like. Such definitions are invalid.
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