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06-06-2008, 09:10 PM
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Bullshit...
I've shared with you that there is a big difference between tar sands and shale oil...both in formation type and product type contained in each.
I've explained why the conventional steaming such as they use in Long Beach is irrelevant in recovery in the shale...a process I was involved in over 25 years ago.
I've provided you with a study that shows we are not yet able to commercially produce the shale that we have...it is too deep for strip mining economically and the in situ process is still in the test phases.
And in the past, I and others have explained about oil being a world market commodity...and...that for the most part, the companies that will likely get involved in producing it are International companies anyway.
You choose to ignore all of that and the best you can come up with is "drivel"... 
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I've provided you with a study that shows we are not yet able to commercially produce the shale that we have...it is too deep for strip mining economically and the in situ process is still in the test phases.
This makes me have complete and total faith in you A.Y.S.M...Here we are discussing drilling for oil, and you bring up strip mining.:smile:
QUOTE=areyoushittin'me?;I've provided you with a study that shows we are not yet able to commercially produce the shale that we have...it is too deep for strip mining economically and the in situ process is still in the test phases.
True,,,,2-3 miles deep is a little much for strip mining.  But not actually drilling for Oil.
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06-06-2008, 09:15 PM
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I've provided you with a study that shows we are not yet able to commercially produce the shale that we have...it is too deep for strip mining economically and the in situ process is still in the test phases.
This makes me have complete and total faith in you A.Y.S.M...Here we are discussing drilling for oil, and you bring up strip mining.:smile:
QUOTE=areyoushittin'me?;I've provided you with a study that shows we are not yet able to commercially produce the shale that we have...it is too deep for strip mining economically and the in situ process is still in the test phases.
True,,,,2-3 miles deep is a little much for strip mining.  But not actually drilling for Oil.
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You aren't paying attention, are you?
Prior discussion in THIS thread I explained that the shale being commercially produced is by strip mining...NOT drilling...that is the relevance of that statement.
Feel free to provide examples of commercial production of oil shale through drilling.
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06-06-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
You aren't paying attention, are you?
Prior discussion in THIS thread I explained that the shale being commercially produced is by strip mining...NOT drilling...that is the relevance of that statement.
Feel free to provide examples of commercial production of oil shale through drilling.
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Here ya go Shit'in Me Colorado oil shale gets a second look
WESTERN ROUNDUP - March 4, 2002 by Hal Clifford
Shell Oil hopes pilot project will go commercial
PARACHUTE, Colo. - On top of Cathedral Bluffs, Royal Dutch/Shell is quietly trying to revive one of the West’s biggest and most disappointing energy booms. If Shell’s scientists and engineers are right, the petroleum wealth locked into oil shale here may, at long last, be profitably exploited.
That possibility is being welcomed warily in northwest Colorado, which still remembers the heyday of the 1970s and 1980s, when the shale reserves here were described as "the next Saudi Arabia." People also remember the crash that followed, as oil firms bolted after collecting tens of millions of dollars in federal subsidies but failing to produce a single profitable barrel of petroleum.
The research project here has been conducted intermittently since 1996 on three small drill pads at 8,000 feet by Shell Exploration & Production Company of Houston, and it is still only a test, says spokesman Rich Hansen. But he adds, "We wouldn’t be doing this research if we didn’t dream of building a commercial project some day."
Northwestern Colorado has been viewed for a century as a potential oil treasure. By some calculations, the Piceance (pee’-awnce) Basin alone contains 300 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum, equal to 48 percent of Middle Eastern reserves.
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06-06-2008, 09:35 PM
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Here ya go Shit'in Me Colorado oil shale gets a second look
WESTERN ROUNDUP - March 4, 2002 by Hal Clifford
Shell Oil hopes pilot project will go commercial
PARACHUTE, Colo. - On top of Cathedral Bluffs, Royal Dutch/Shell is quietly trying to revive one of the West’s biggest and most disappointing energy booms. If Shell’s scientists and engineers are right, the petroleum wealth locked into oil shale here may, at long last, be profitably exploited.
That possibility is being welcomed warily in northwest Colorado, which still remembers the heyday of the 1970s and 1980s, when the shale reserves here were described as "the next Saudi Arabia." People also remember the crash that followed, as oil firms bolted after collecting tens of millions of dollars in federal subsidies but failing to produce a single profitable barrel of petroleum.
The research project here has been conducted intermittently since 1996 on three small drill pads at 8,000 feet by Shell Exploration & Production Company of Houston, and it is still only a test, says spokesman Rich Hansen. But he adds, "We wouldn’t be doing this research if we didn’t dream of building a commercial project some day."
Northwestern Colorado has been viewed for a century as a potential oil treasure. By some calculations, the Piceance (pee’-awnce) Basin alone contains 300 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum, equal to 48 percent of Middle Eastern reserves.
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That was back in 2002 and still hasn't come to fruition...like I said, "Feel free to provide examples of commercial production of oil shale through drilling."
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06-06-2008, 09:55 PM
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That was back in 2002 and still hasn't come to fruition...like I said, "Feel free to provide examples of commercial production of oil shale through drilling."
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That long ago...  And with our Liberal Extremists Agenda in place,,,it hasn't advanced.
Remember, this Post is about the first Oil Refinery being built in 30 years... 
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06-06-2008, 10:00 PM
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That long ago...  And with our Liberal Extremists Agenda in place,,,it hasn't advanced.
Remember, this Post is about the first Oil Refinery being built in 30 years... 
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i thought i had put that to rest, but nobody wanted to look up valeros site. its not the first in 30 years. and encanas and conocos will be up and running sooner also.
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06-06-2008, 10:04 PM
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i thought i had put that to rest, but nobody wanted to look up valeros site. its not the first in 30 years. and encanas and conocos will be up and running sooner also.
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Que pas so,,,?  Por favor,,,Explain.
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06-06-2008, 10:17 PM
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That long ago...  And with our Liberal Extremists Agenda in place,,,it hasn't advanced.
Remember, this Post is about the first Oil Refinery being built in 30 years... 
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 ...yeah, I didn't think you could come up with a viable argument or any examples.
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06-06-2008, 10:47 PM
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Remember, this Post is about the first Oil Refinery being built in 30 years... 
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Kind of funny, you trying to get back to the original thread topic after you haven't been able to substantiate the issue that YOU sidetracked us toward...lol.
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06-07-2008, 12:21 AM
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Here ya go Shit'in Me Colorado oil shale gets a second look
WESTERN ROUNDUP - March 4, 2002 by Hal Clifford
Shell Oil hopes pilot project will go commercial
PARACHUTE, Colo. - On top of Cathedral Bluffs, Royal Dutch/Shell is quietly trying to revive one of the West’s biggest and most disappointing energy booms. If Shell’s scientists and engineers are right, the petroleum wealth locked into oil shale here may, at long last, be profitably exploited.
That possibility is being welcomed warily in northwest Colorado, which still remembers the heyday of the 1970s and 1980s, when the shale reserves here were described as "the next Saudi Arabia." People also remember the crash that followed, as oil firms bolted after collecting tens of millions of dollars in federal subsidies but failing to produce a single profitable barrel of petroleum.
The research project here has been conducted intermittently since 1996 on three small drill pads at 8,000 feet by Shell Exploration & Production Company of Houston, and it is still only a test, says spokesman Rich Hansen. But he adds, "We wouldn’t be doing this research if we didn’t dream of building a commercial project some day."
Northwestern Colorado has been viewed for a century as a potential oil treasure. By some calculations, the Piceance (pee’-awnce) Basin alone contains 300 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum, equal to 48 percent of Middle Eastern reserves.
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When you provide a WSJ or Barrons or similar business journal story reporting a multi-billion dollar investment in production, then you will deserve some attention, but you have persisted to the point where your posts deserve ridicule.
At least post new old Carter era projects abandoned when Reagan didn't push sufficient long term oil corporate welfare. I learn something new each time I research them. I am finding myself surprised at all the Saudi Arabia" sized oil territories the US was going to develop when Carter left office that have been abandoned after the corporate welfare ran out. And that now seem to surface only in conservative media, but never in oil industry trade journals nor in credible business journals. If those long ago promises had been delivered, the US would be oil supplier to the world.
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