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05-27-2008, 12:59 PM
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Glad to see today you're back on allowing as how "libs" exist.

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Well, you leftists are pretty monolithic when it comes to issues of government control of personal property and wealth redistribution. You're all for it to one extent or another.
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05-27-2008, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
Glad to see today you're back on allowing as how "libs" exist.

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As I said yesterday, I use the terms American Libs, Libs, and socialists inter changeably. In this country they are one and the same, but never to be confused with a real LIBERAL.
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05-27-2008, 01:18 PM
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Well, you leftists are pretty monolithic when it comes to issues of government control of personal property and wealth redistribution. You're all for it to one extent or another.
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Originally Posted by Teak
As I said yesterday, I use the terms American Libs, Libs, and socialists inter changeably. In this country they are one and the same, but never to be confused with a real LIBERAL.
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You two are free to ignore some definitions and set the parameters as you wish and I am free to not define myself by your ignorance.
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05-27-2008, 01:28 PM
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You two are free to ignore some definitions and set the parameters as you wish and I am free to not define myself by your ignorance.
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You can only define yourself by your own ignorance. If you chose to be known as an American liberal, fine, but some people still have more pride than that.
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05-27-2008, 02:16 PM
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You can only define yourself by your own ignorance. If you chose to be known as an American liberal, fine, but some people still have more pride than that.
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Spoken like a true Con...you're simply "anti-liberal" which in and of itself leaves you ignorant.
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05-27-2008, 02:24 PM
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Spoken like a true Con...you're simply "anti-liberal" which in and of itself leaves you ignorant.
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Anti-liberal; you couldn't be farther from the truth, I enjoy the company of true liberals, but I have to travel abroad to find any. What I am is anti- socialist, and damn proud of it.
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05-27-2008, 02:38 PM
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Anti-liberal; you couldn't be farther from the truth, I enjoy the company of true liberals, but I have to travel abroad to find any. What I am is anti- socialist, and damn proud of it.
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Your problem is that you try and define me on your terms and therefore do not allow as how I could possibly exist in America...
liberal
adjective
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative]
noun
a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties [ant: conservative]
a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
lais·sez faire
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An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws.
Noninterference in the affairs of others.
You choose to have a problem with the aforementioned values...that's your right...I'm liberal enough to accept that in you...have a good day.
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05-27-2008, 04:12 PM
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Those definitions are not exactly accurate, and frankly, I don't care where you got them.
A conservative believes first and foremost in individual liberty. How governmental action inhibits individual freedom is the primary gauge we use to determine whether we support it or not. When a federal government is strong; i.e., has a large segment of the population dependent upon it for their livelihood, the country is not truly or completely free. If a federal government begins to regulate an industry to the point where it harms industry beyond their ability to overcome it; i.e., socializing the oil industry, the country is not completely free.
Also, there is nothing progressive about liberalism. The basic tenets behind the philosophy are very old and the socialist philosophy itself defies the very essence of human nature. If anything, socialism and liberalism is DEgressive.
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05-27-2008, 04:14 PM
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Also, there is nothing progressive about liberalism. The basic tenets behind the philosophy are very old and the socialist philosophy itself defies the very essence of human nature. If anything, socialism and liberalism is DEgressive.
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You can take that a step further, progressivism is profoundly unliberal. Liberal is about treating people equally. Progressivism is the inverse of elitism, and both by design are NOT about equality.
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05-27-2008, 05:41 PM
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Those definitions are not exactly accurate, and frankly, I don't care where you got them.
A conservative believes first and foremost in individual liberty. How governmental action inhibits individual freedom is the primary gauge we use to determine whether we support it or not. When a federal government is strong; i.e., has a large segment of the population dependent upon it for their livelihood, the country is not truly or completely free. If a federal government begins to regulate an industry to the point where it harms industry beyond their ability to overcome it; i.e., socializing the oil industry, the country is not completely free.
Also, there is nothing progressive about liberalism. The basic tenets behind the philosophy are very old and the socialist philosophy itself defies the very essence of human nature. If anything, socialism and liberalism is DEgressive.
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I always get a kick out of people who try and discount Webster's and The American Heritage Dictionary....
"NONONONONO...they're wrong...they don't know nuthin' about word definitions...they're just a fuckin' dictionary and I know better."
Your problem is that you try and take the definition of Socialism and make it fit into a different term and then when someone presents the truth to you you try and negate it because it doesn't express things as you wish them to be...seems pretty foolish to me but I defend your right to be that way...carry on.
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