Originally Posted by satv365

Soviet Union: Fell
Communist Mongolia is now a Free Market Economy.
Communist Vietnam has begun a process of freeing up it's economy.
Communist Laos has been encouraging free market practices since the 1980s.
Communist Cuba has already given up on Socialism.
The Khmer Rouge of Cambodia was ousted by it's own people and the economy is getting better, each year.
Communist China has opened up it's market to private investment and free market principles. It's wealth speaks for itself.



All these Nations combined have committed atrocities that have claimed the lives of millions of innocent people. All of them are responsible for stifling political dissenters, forced labor, rape and murder at the hands of their own Governments.

No other Economic Practice in the world has lead to so many needless deaths in the pursuit of Collective Rights and centralized planning of the economy. People starved because of forcing people to grow food on Communal Farms, or lack of innovation at the hands of Soviet industrialists made the standard of living far below that of America and those who benefited from the Marshall Plan and Europe.

I find it unreasonably idiotic that the Nations of the West. A former bastion of Political and Economic Freedom are reverting to Centralization of the Economy and drastically curtailing the practices of Individual Rights and Liberty.

Meanwhile, the former Communist and Socialist Nations are freeing up there respective economies and life gets better, as ours gets worse.

The Free Market Works, and Individual Rights are a necessity for a free society to remain free.

No Socialist Economy has ever worked, ever. Socialism, does not work.

Originally Posted by wow

you can not argue with the facts that these above mentioned have had there share of problems, but I find it interesting that you find it timely to discount socialism at a time when the american system is not functioning well specially after 8 years of business friendly republican agenda proves that when left up to free enterprise to self regulate or protect national security
through economical stability it fails ,, greed is at the steering wheel of american business you will find very few self respecting country loving patriots in corporate america
How is the American system not doing well?

Originally Posted by wow

you can not argue with the facts that these above mentioned have had there share of problems, but I find it interesting that you find it timely to discount socialism at a time when the american system is not functioning well specially after 8 years of business friendly republican agenda proves that when left up to free enterprise to self regulate or protect national security
through economical stability it fails ,, greed is at the steering wheel of american business you will find very few self respecting country loving patriots in corporate america
How is the American system not doing well?

Originally Posted by bluedog

That's exactly what I was thinking. Ever notice how for a nation that is not worth the effort of protecting, there are so many Immigrants wanting to get to this nation so bad they must do so illegally? And even when they get here they try to makes claims that the nation they just left in hopes of getting a better life for their family is far better than here? BD

Originally Posted by Teak

You have a very, very, short memory there mulp. I have always included the aged and disabled. Thats what social security is for. However this discussion is not about social security.

BTW, Schiavo was not about being taken care of, or provided for. Schiavo was about whether her husband had the right to remove her from life support equipment. You are again just trying to stir the pot with apples and grapes comparisons.

Now try finding something germane to the subject.

Originally Posted by mulp

While it is certainly true that Bush Republicans and conservatives don't believe the US is worth protecting, so they won't pay for protecting it, the claim that people are migrating to the US doesn't prove capitalism to be better than socialism.

In fact, it proves the opposite as the most common claim is that the Mexicans are leaving Mexico to "suck on the teets of the US socialist welfare state." And if you look at socialist Europe and UK, they clearly have lots of migrants "sucking on the teets of socialism."

On the other hand, not many people are going to places like Congo where they have no socialism but lots of greed seeking to exploit the natural wealth of that huge region. I think the taxes are quite low for many of the people getting rich off the wealth of Congo which would make it the place where American conservatives would want to be.

But American conservatives can't get their free lunches in Congo.....

Originally Posted by bluedog

Certainly one has to look no further than our very own Constitution to conclude just exactly what was thought about any democratic socialist society. A "Demand", not a request, but a demand that "ALL" states practice a "REPUBLICAN" form of government. Section 4 Article 4, if its good enough for our founders in their "Abhorrence" of any pure form of socialist democracy, its certainly good enough for me. BD

Article Four of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by mulp

But you don't believe that they believed in property rights, do you?

The nation was built on the principle of taking land away from the land owners and giving it to immigrants. And if the land owners didn't give up their land willingly, they were killed. Sorta reminds you of what we hear of in Africa - seems those Africans have learned their lessons from American history.