I would support rationed healthcare, if Homos were excluded from coverage and all taxes were cut in half.

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Excellent post heckler.

I can tell your a moral human being.

I would add only one thing. During the MCCarthy era the entire country bought into what are now proven propagandist lies. Just like this terrorism crap, back then it was the big bad communism boogey man that was coming to get America.

Strange now Communist China is the US governments best buddy. In truth we owe them so much we cannot afford to speak out about the boogey man on communism anymore.

So they picked a new boogey man to feed their industrial war machine.

What I find insane is this fact. I was a child just after the MC Carthy era. Yet I had eyes to see and ears to hear. As the lies of MC carthy which had gripped this country came out in the light one after another. Even as a very young woman .....................I said to myself , hugh, apparently we cannot believe what politicians say.

Yet here we are all these many years later and a bunch of people even older than me are falling for the same kind of government propaganda again.

My daddy always said, make a mistake once, that is not so bad, Do it twice and your the fool, totally responsible for whatever consequences that mistake brings you.

The truth is the country by a large majority voted BUSH back into office in 2004.

What my daddy said is true. My daddy a proud Marine actually was so disappointed in his country the second time they voted Bush in. Daddy hung his head and said the US populace now has nobody buts itself to blame when trouble comes home to roost. The country now, deserves the storm cloud that is gathering . They made a huge mistake not once , but many times. The attitude people like Nathan and soho have and have passed on to youths like satv is prevalent in the US. Its pure and simply selfishness. As a whole the US deserves whatever ill is waiting.

I know you and I disagree on the subject of God heckler. But you have been kind enough to respect my deep faith. Bare with me once again. God punishes people who only think about themselves. Unfortunately the US has a long tradition of stepping over or even killing others if it brings a dime into the US coffers. God will punish this.

Unfortunately a lot of innocent people will feel the effects of that punishment as well. But no worries , God can protect the innocent as he is willing. And God will make sure those that value money which does rust and decay, more than human life know the folly of their ways.

Or as perhaps a securlist like you would say Heckler. What goes around comes around. There is a order to creation, and what goes around does always come back home to roost.

America has sent a lot of misery around this world. That misery will come back home to roost.

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Again well said heckler.

LOL , I was chuckling to myself when Soho made this comment.

quote soho: "the vast majority who have added little or nothing"

What??? soho must be a youngster too , or a older man who has not done his history homework.

This country was built on the back breaking labor of the majority of it's Citizens. They slaved to build the roads, the rail ways, the dams the cities . The majority did this.

The majority also fought and blead and died to keep this country free during world wars 1 and 2 . The working mans child were the ones who were dragged into that messy war in Vietnam . That so much reminds me of this Iraq war. And since Vietnam , rich men don't even try to keep up the appearance of some of their kids going in the military. Hardly any of our current group of politicians have kids in our military. They are too good to fight, bleed and die for this country. Poor peoples kids are expendable.

The rich by and large rejected that same back breaking labor for their own children. The rich who capitalized off others labors and resources of this land , were happy to send their own kids to college while the majority struggled to keep a roof over their heads.

Never mind that the US government was handing rail road barons millions upon millions of acres of timbered land and huge contracts to build the rails and gas pipelines in this country. The standard labor wage was still sustenance level. And the practice was to work a worker till he became sick and couldn't work anymore and then to drag him out of the mine or off the rail and throw his family out of the company owned track home.

Children filled US factories. Never mind many of them lost limbs and lifes in unsafe working conditions. After all they were just the children of the average working man. They were not the children of the wealthy elite of the country.

Yep heckler, I chuckled to myself as soho made that obviously uneducated comment of his. .......................Except it is not really funny. Soho shows either a total lack of knowledge about the back breaking labor that built this country. Or he is plain disrespecting all the working families that made this country the once great country it was.

And before he says , oh I meant people today. Now that is funny. People want to work today. Grown men just don't want to spend their entire lifes flipping burgers for $7 a hour at Ralleys. Nor do they want to work at the Family Dollar for that $7 a hour the rest of their lifes.

For the first time in the countries history families can't work hard and get ahead. Those menial jobs barely pay the utilities , let alone let them save to get ahead, maybe have a home of their own. For the first time working people cannot expect to be better off than their parents were. People see this, they are not stupid.

So they in large numbers are starting to reject those low paying jobs preferring to peddle drugs. Anything is preferred to being a life long slave to a system who will just holler next when they get too old or sick to work any more.

Who can blame them? People have to have hope or they will not continue in this system. The system offers only the rare glimpse of hope to the working man . Many are rejecting the system for that reason. And I do not blame them.

Americas immorality to man is about to come home to roost.

Its not going to be pretty I am sure.

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And your opinion is a excellent and moral one Heckler.

Bless you.

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Lets add that the US government during the late 1800's and early 1900's gave huge land grants to wealthy men. Enabling them to become wealthier on the labor of the average citizen. Also enabling them to exploit all the resources of this great land.

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Depends on the insurance. If the contract has that provision and if it was pointed out to the purchaser, then what is the issue?

Even with that, they can't cancel after the claim has been made. That violates the spirit of the contract.

Treating people the same is a matter of common sense. The basic rule is that all businesses should treat people the same unless there is a compelling interest for the businesses to treat people differently. In the case of insurance the company does have a compelling interest. For live insurance, smokers should be treated differently because their actions greatly impact the risk to the company (and to other people buying policies). The treating differently should be done on a reasonable rational basis.

Is this government interference in a free market? One can argue that either way. In pure free market, yes. In a liberal free market, I would argue no.

What doesn't he understand about this Nathan? I think mulp understands and you don't.

Okay lets take it a step further. Before a factory can be built to produce anything. It must seek to be added to the public water supply for its needs. That public water supply is owned and maintained with tax payer funds.

It needs power, lots of it. Those power lines are only possible because of tax payer funds and the payments of the little people all along that line paying into that system. Yet the factory will make full use of that system and suck up all the power they can causing the little people to have to pay more for their own power.

Lets take it yet another step.

Large oil companies have drilled all over this world. They were only able to do so because the US military in many cases was in that third world country to make sure the oil company workers weren't killed by locals. The military guards oil company assets reguarly and they do it at tax payers expense.

Your the one that does not know what your talking about Nathan.

Mulp understands the situation perfectly.

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No that is not correct. The state needs a compelling interest to regulate. You can do with your property what you want, however if what you want directly affects another person's property, then the state will need to get involved.

Don't confuse communism with communalism. I have no issues with individuals who want to live in a commune. Individuals can do what they want. The issue I have is when the government is involved to impose communalism on others. Now, I accept that you could call communes "communist", however I think that such a definition would make communism synonymous with communalism, and would eliminate the need for communism as a word.

For me, the essential difference between the two is that communism is a sociopolitical entity that seeks to impose communalism upon an entire populace. That is a very important distinction. It is using this definition of communism where I state that it will inevitably lead to totalitarianism.

Now, if you won’t accept this distinction, then I will modify my quote to the following: any communal entity that seeks to impose its communalism on people who do not want to belong will lead to tyranny.

And they were paid to do so. My point was entirely directed at the argument that "you should support socialism because of the actions of people in the past".

That is a stupid argument. We owe nothing to the past. People in the past did things for their own reasons. If you want to talk about "owing" something to the past, then what we REALLY owe it to are people who invented stuff. The people who moved technology forward so we are not still hunter gatherers, the vast majority contributed little to nothing (in terms of our current debt to them).

Sorry, but that is the case. I apply it to myself as well. Do future generations owe me something? Of course not. They need to do what is best for them.

Yes, my argument is stupid. I freely admit that, it was MEANT to be stupid to show how stupid the argument originally made is.