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Old 03-03-2008, 05:51 AM
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The damages to make them 'whole' is not being disputed.

It is the 2.5 billion in punitive damages which is being disputed.

Yes, they were grossly negligent, but the payment for damages is not in question. How do punitive damages tie into proprty rights? You are claiming they should be compensated 'beyond' that, and I agree, but compensating them 'beyond' the damage does not apply to property rights.
I would tend to agree. This is just the victims of the disaster, who may or may not have been fully compensated for the damage, trying to milk the courts for all they got.

There is a line to be drawn.
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Old 03-05-2008, 07:23 PM
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I would tend to agree. This is just the victims of the disaster, who may or may not have been fully compensated for the damage, trying to milk the courts for all they got.

There is a line to be drawn.
So, in your view, a corporation can willfully harm you and you should have no right to seek compensation for the harm caused, even when the corporation has done everything possible to minimize the effects of their actions.

Exxon knew its employee, the ship captain was a drunkard. Exxon knew that accidents can happen and the environment would be damaged so they should proactively provide the means to respond quickly to such accidents. Exxon knew that many people's livelihood would be adversely impacted by an oil spill, and that it would be liable for such harm.

But you think that it is reasonable for corporations to fail to act, and then to do everything possible to avoid doing anything to deal with the problem, and they should then be rewarded by not being held liable for their actions.

Hey, why should anyone be held liable for stealing from you? Oh, right, they are an individual. A corporation can steal from you, and that is ok.

And the facts are that Exxon did very little to reverse the harm, and the environment has not yet recovered to its former dirversity and productivity. Exxon has gotten the classic Republican free lunch.
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Old 03-06-2008, 12:08 AM
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So, in your view, a corporation can willfully harm you and you should have no right to seek compensation for the harm caused, even when the corporation has done everything possible to minimize the effects of their actions.

Exxon knew its employee, the ship captain was a drunkard. Exxon knew that accidents can happen and the environment would be damaged so they should proactively provide the means to respond quickly to such accidents. Exxon knew that many people's livelihood would be adversely impacted by an oil spill, and that it would be liable for such harm.

But you think that it is reasonable for corporations to fail to act, and then to do everything possible to avoid doing anything to deal with the problem, and they should then be rewarded by not being held liable for their actions.

Hey, why should anyone be held liable for stealing from you? Oh, right, they are an individual. A corporation can steal from you, and that is ok.

And the facts are that Exxon did very little to reverse the harm, and the environment has not yet recovered to its former dirversity and productivity. Exxon has gotten the classic Republican free lunch.
They were found liable for the damage and they paid those damages. Those aren't in dispute.

What is in dispute is the punitive damages, do you know what punitive damages are? They have nothing to do with property rights.
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