Taxes for business in America

Areyouforreal · #21 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

I have a problem with not assessing local taxes on businesses; there are many times this does not help the local infurastructure when given a pass. Residents then pay higher taxes for police, fire, road repairs, sewage, etc.

Yes but they will save money from the cost of goods coming down, more work will be created, thus more taxes and businesses will be able to invest more.

Yes I do think the prices will come down especially when the businesses that outsource have to raise their prices to pay for penalty tax. Businesses here will lower their prices to be more competetive, with them.

Now I am not talking about those companies that have stores globally. I am talking about companies that lay off and fire people to send jobs overseas.

fedup2 · #22 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

I think that falls in the line of Property Rights, if you ask me. If I own a Bussiness, I should be able to say if and when a person can smoke a cigarrette on my property. I should be able to say who I can hire and fire, and for whatever reason I see fit. I should be allowed to discriminate, for whatever reason I choose. I should be able to sell my product or service for a price I see fit. I should be able to do anything I want with my property so long as it does not directly or indirectly infringe on the rights of another person's property.

If a person does not like my business practices, or they feel offended or discriminated against. That is not an infringement of your rights. As with any free society, you are allowed and able to take your business elsewhere to a place that is more to your liking.

You do not have a right to be not offended or discriminated against in the private sector. Neither would I push the idea that Minorities are too weak to live in freedom. Which is all Affirmitive Action, Hiring Quotas, and all the other Political Correctness crap is. It's all an excuse to let minorities believe they are too weak to live in Freedom.

EXACTLY.....Government cuts their own throats by putting their own BS policies into our businesses. If they would butt out of it, we stop wasting our time trying to follow and get around their "rules" and make more money...increasing what THEY get.

I didn't need the government to come in and hold my hand every time I felt I was treated unfairly by a boss. I had enough common sense to know that doing well for his/her competitor was a much better revenge. Business owners know that....if they don't they learn it very quickly. It goes for employees, customers and the other businesses referring them the work.

I wouldn't expect a Chinese Restraunt to hire me if I was not Chinese and as a patron...I would probably not go to a Chinese Rest. if wasn't a Chinese staff.

It would be really hard for Hollywood to hire Bill Cosby to play Hitler, or a member of NBA (that's basketball right?..lol) to play a few of the munchkins on Wizard of Oz......or Jackie Chan to play Marin Luther King.....These movies would FLOP....we know it and they know it. So why does the Government refuse to give business owners the same rights and the same freedoms they give Hollywood...and for that matter...Wouldn't a Democrate politician be breaking the "rules" if they hired me, a Republican to run their campaign? (and visa versa) $$$$$$.....WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT, NOT JUST PROMISES OF IT.....That's it.... I'm throwing my hat into this race....I just need some bumperstickers and a little bit of cash to get started...lol

fedup2 · #23 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 12:44 PM

I got one of those incentive checks too....but it was .06% (no lie) of the tax "prepay" check I sent it. So my frown is still a frown. The upside ? In addition to that huge tax "screw" and due to the California housing market...and poor timing on our part...I will not be getting hit with that HUGE capitol gains tax.....hee hee...what a sad upside huh??

fedup2 · #24 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cordelier

That's funny... If we tried something like that up here, the US would go crazy and say we were violating NAFTA, the WTO, and any other international trade organization under the sun for unfairly subsidizing our corporations.

I think I am ready to start my own Country...lol Anyone have some land and very tall high voltage chain link fence material they can donate?....

RAIDER56 · #25 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 04:26 PM

being self employed for 28 years I can tell you that often I think the
benefits are often outweighed by disadvantages .Putting away for my own retiremnet,payroll taxws hard to get rid of employees ,retraining
costs etc etc.Most of America works for someone else yet most people thinkTaxing businesses more will improve their lifestyle.When costs such as taxes go up they are passed on or employers begin to turn to
cheaper labor such as the many illegals taking so many jobs.or they
simply outsource to foreign countries.
have any of these companies passed on savings from outsourcing
or cheap labor to you.
Wake up dems.Higher corporate taxes will hurt everyone and continue to scare corporations out of America,This country no longer has the highest per cap income in the world .higher taxes wont help that,

fedup2 · #26 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RAIDER56

being self employed for 28 years I can tell you that often I think the
benefits are often outweighed by disadvantages .Putting away for my own retiremnet,payroll taxws hard to get rid of employees ,retraining
costs etc etc.Most of America works for someone else yet most people thinkTaxing businesses more will improve their lifestyle.When costs such as taxes go up they are passed on or employers begin to turn to
cheaper labor such as the many illegals taking so many jobs.or they
simply outsource to foreign countries.
have any of these companies passed on savings from outsourcing
or cheap labor to you.
Wake up dems.Higher corporate taxes will hurt everyone and continue to scare corporations out of America,This country no longer has the highest per cap income in the world .higher taxes wont help that,

Most employee's don't understand that when they get sick of their job...they can quit. (for us..it's not a 2 week notice and we are out..if it was, most of us would have done it at one time or another.)
Worse then the Tax garbage and the excessive paperwork...the biggest downfall for us is that there isn't a agency in the government that fights for the business owners. If there was EEOC would be GONE...EDD would be gone. These agencies are outdated and chase any disgruntled employee bleeding heart story. They make cases out of fraud claims and it doesn't matter whether or not you can prove your case. They know they have endless amounts of money, time, and little auditing of their cases. Having that kind of power removes a level playing field aspect. And businesses are forced to settle, knowing they don't have the cash or the time to continue fighting....even when they are right. Even if they did, you can't sue them back for anything more than attorney fees and you can't sue the employee for the lie and the claim. It's government backed blackmail. It would be great if small businesses and S corps would band together and fight this system, but unless they have had the "rape" put upon them...most think it will never happen to them.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

mulp · #27 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fedup2

Most employee's don't understand that when they get sick of their job...they can quit. (for us..it's not a 2 week notice and we are out..if it was, most of us would have done it at one time or another.)
Worse then the Tax garbage and the excessive paperwork...the biggest downfall for us is that there isn't a agency in the government that fights for the business owners. If there was EEOC would be GONE...EDD would be gone. These agencies are outdated and chase any disgruntled employee bleeding heart story. They make cases out of fraud claims and it doesn't matter whether or not you can prove your case. They know they have endless amounts of money, time, and little auditing of their cases. Having that kind of power removes a level playing field aspect. And businesses are forced to settle, knowing they don't have the cash or the time to continue fighting....even when they are right. Even if they did, you can't sue them back for anything more than attorney fees and you can't sue the employee for the lie and the claim. It's government backed blackmail. It would be great if small businesses and S corps would band together and fight this system, but unless they have had the "rape" put upon them...most think it will never happen to them.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

Well, when businesses cheat employees out of wages and promised benefits, it is very hard for workers to get what they are due. Businesses lie and cheat and just all in all "rape" the worker and the government protects the businesses from having to conform to common law enforcment of contracts.

But I guess workers have the advantage because when their employer screws them, they don't have anything left to lose so they can grab their gun and start shooting up all the bosses and slaves that are too blind to see what crooks they are.

;-)

fedup2 · #28 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mulp

Well, when businesses cheat employees out of wages and promised benefits, it is very hard for workers to get what they are due. Businesses lie and cheat and just all in all "rape" the worker and the government protects the businesses from having to conform to common law enforcment of contracts.

But I guess workers have the advantage because when their employer screws them, they don't have anything left to lose so they can grab their gun and start shooting up all the bosses and slaves that are too blind to see what crooks they are.

;-)

How nice, And what a great way of handling a situation. Judging from your point of view and your "fair" way of handling your "unfair?" treatment, I am assuming that you choose to work for businesses that do not have a good reputation. And any person who see's this has two choices.. Find another company to work for, or file charges if what you say is true. Unless you are in the military, nobody is forcing you to be there. If you continue going to work for a cheat...that's not rape...that is stupidity.

RAIDER56 · #29 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mulp

Well, when businesses cheat employees out of wages and promised benefits, it is very hard for workers to get what they are due. Businesses lie and cheat and just all in all "rape" the worker and the government protects the businesses from having to conform to common law enforcment of contracts.

But I guess workers have the advantage because when their employer screws them, they don't have anything left to lose so they can grab their gun and start shooting up all the bosses and slaves that are too blind to see what crooks they are.

;-)

As an employer I have seen other greedy retailers and business owners
hire cheap labor and cut off contractors they have used for years.Wages
inconstruction and industrial business have declined to 20 years ago &
more.It is a shame that I cant pay my employees what I was paying 10
years and more ago.I cant price projects for any where near what they
should be .Corp.taxes often put a stranglehold on fair minded business
owners.Who do do you make money from.Chances are he to is looking to cut costs.Is your job safe?

RAIDER56 · #30 (**permalink**) 02-26-2008, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mulp

Well, when businesses cheat employees out of wages and promised benefits, it is very hard for workers to get what they are due. Businesses lie and cheat and just all in all "rape" the worker and the government protects the businesses from having to conform to common law enforcment of contracts.

But I guess workers have the advantage because when their employer screws them, they don't have anything left to lose so they can grab their gun and start shooting up all the bosses and slaves that are too blind to see what crooks they are.

;-)

As an employer I have seen other greedy retailers and business owners
hire cheap labor and cut off contractors they have used for years.Wages
inconstruction and industrial business have declined to 20 years ago &
more.It is a shame that I cant pay my employees what I was paying 10
years and more ago.I cant price projects for any where near what they
should be .Corp.taxes often put a stranglehold on fair minded business
owners.Who do do you make money from.Chances are he to is looking to cut costs.Is your job safe?