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01-29-2008, 04:37 PM
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With as little money as possible.
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01-29-2008, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45
With as little money as possible.
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Ok, now who determines the amount?
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01-29-2008, 04:56 PM
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Ok, now who determines the amount?
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Not the politicians, for sure. The people used to decide what Congress and State Legislatures got, and what they could spend it on. Which is why I would support any measure to bring up voting on expenditures over 100 million dollars.
Or any method to slow down the spending or put hurdles for Congress and the President in there uncontrolled spending.
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01-29-2008, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rob
If we did away with the majority of taxes how would the goverment be able to pay for police deptartments, fire departments and keep our roads maintained?
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Just like they are doing now. Start wars and sell guns.
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01-29-2008, 09:48 PM
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Cat, I wasn't trying to jump to any conclusions here. But by front loading the tax collection, you have to take from the ones that are working correct?
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Conversely, you can't get money from people who have no money. What is your point?
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01-30-2008, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dab11999
Just like they are doing now. Start wars and sell guns.
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A Government kept in check, as opposed to keeping it's people in check is what I would prefer. Remember Government becomes the enemy when it exerts control over even the most basic of activities.
We do not have Federal Government to control us. We have Federal Government to protect our life, liberty and property.
Police, Fireman and roads can and should be funded at the City, County, and State level. They also don't need to use Income or property taxes to fund it, either. They get enough money from Sales Taxes, and Fines.
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01-30-2008, 08:08 AM
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Conversely, you can't get money from people who have no money. What is your point?
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touche you got me
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01-30-2008, 10:53 AM
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What I find interesting is our govt. has so many hurdles and it is so complicated for them to get projects like Florida and Louisiana and Mississippi underway after how long now. Yet they have all the money they need to throw into other countries to build schools, hospitals etc. etc. etc. . Talk to me about the great need for all the taxes when our money is used for all this bullshit spending that has nothing to do with the people paying the taxes.
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01-30-2008, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 36shadow
What I find interesting is our govt. has so many hurdles and it is so complicated for them to get projects like Florida and Louisiana and Mississippi underway after how long now. Yet they have all the money they need to throw into other countries to build schools, hospitals etc. etc. etc. . Talk to me about the great need for all the taxes when our money is used for all this bullshit spending that has nothing to do with the people paying the taxes.
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You get a Fruit Basket.
Exactly. Government wastes far, far far too much money for me to even consider relinquishing one more penny to either my Illinois Legislature or the Federal Un-Government.
Stop wasting it, and talk about taxes. Till then, I will support candidates that take more and more away tax sources from them. Cause, I really see no benefit to pay them, in all seriousness. Pot holes on the way to work, the fact I had to but bars on my window despite having a pampered and overpayed police department.
Asinine, give it back or stop wasting it, is all I got to say.
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01-30-2008, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rob
If we did away with the majority of taxes how would the goverment be able to pay for police deptartments, we could scale back 95 percent of what they do because most of it is useless fire departments don't keep them on duty all the time keep them on call duh and keep our roads maintained?
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have them work instead of one guy with a sign talking to 10 other guys while one actually works on the road
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