The government needs to get funding somewhere. Are you more comfortable with the government having a claim to your labor? For most of our history tariffs, excise taxes and property taxes were how we funded the government

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Ya and now they have lowered the tariffs or have done away completely with them so now we take up the financial burden great plan. And as far the govt. needing to get funding somewhere I get so tiered of hearing that. They would have plenty if they tightened up their fat ass belt and wastefull spending practices. We are a frigen milk cow for them they spend with no regard to weather we can afford it all the time getting rich themselves. At least one thing if you work all your life and get laid off you can find some kind of work. You get old get sick and all the pills doctor bills basic water , electric , food they should not have to worry about the house they spent their whole life paying for.

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You misunderstand my statement regarding the need to get funding. Satv said she (I think its a she, beat me if I am wrong) was against property tax since it meant you didn't own your property. The fact is we are paying income tax which would then mean we don't own the fruits of our labor which would mean we are slaves to the state. I wanted to know if Satv thought it was more comfortable being a slave then simply not owning your property.

As far the remark on the government needing taxes is concerned, its true. If we are going to have a government, and we do need one, then it must raise it revenues from someplace. Now that its raising it from every conceivable source, including gamblinig, they have more than enough to screw us royally. The Democrats want to give the government even more money to gain even more control over us. But if the government needs to raise money I would rather it be from property tax than from owning me outright.

New Hampshire has no income tax or sales tax. It raises almost all of its funds from property taxes.

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Fixed it for you

Federal Government has nothing to do with Property Taxation. You need to look at the waste your local and State Governments spend your money on, first. Don't tell me its a needed tax, when Government has plenty of other sources to fund it's duties.

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You are right, I overlooked the small fact that property tax is not a federal tax. Again I say however government (state and local) needs to raise revenue from somewhere. Getting it from property tax is just as valid a source as income tax (and both states and local goverments impose those taxes) or speeding fines.

I would have absolutely no objection to property tax if it were capped and never allowed to put people out of their homes.

As far as the federal government is concerned, we have allowed it to become a monster. It was never meant to be what it has become. If it were returned to the position the founding fathers meant for it then 90% ofthe taxes would go away. Also, it would be necessary to forbid Congress from passing laws requiring the states to spend money on anything

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I understand what you are saying but this is what I'm looking at if I loose my house that I have already paid in full for because my wages don't go up or no promotion or hay I loose my job and can not pay the taxes I loose that wich I already paid for. It is a lot easier to get another job than to get back something I worked my whole life for and am now living in a box. In one way or another you are a slave to the state but not in the way of actual slavery. I can come and go as I please and even if you do not have those sales taxes you are a slave to your job because you have bills to pay and need to eat etc.. I guess you can look at it this way to I would rather be a slave in the sense you are talking about and actualy own my house where they could not take it away.

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What if anything does a City or County Government need property taxes for? They already have excise taxes of their own like sales taxes and indirect taxes like parking and speeding fines, marriage liscenses and so on.

You can not tell me there is no way in hell we can not eliminate property and income taxes. Cause, let's face it. A lot of State and Local Governments need to be knocked down in size as well.

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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

I remember working once in the Tampa area in a subsidized housing project (circa, late 80s). This project had it's own little cove and private (for all intents and purposes) beach. There were several small sailing craft moored there.

Nice digs....

Property taxes go to schools for one thing.

Are you opposed to public schools, too satv?

Also other city services--roads, sidewalks, fire and police, etc.

Of course, as Libertarian you belive fire and police and other city services should be user paid: you pay the PD and FD and if you are in their system as a payee, they help you.

Say, if you are a arsonist that might work out...you could get the list of other non-payees, and burn down their houses the FD would not put the fire out and the cops would do nothing!

Tokie

Property taxes HELP fund education. Not saying if its right or wrong, just the way it is.
Property taxes are another matter. They have absolutely no meaning to those that don't own. (except for how property taxes affect their rent)
I agree that renting is SOMETIMES preferable to owning, but in the long run home ownership is the key to a secure financial future.
The whole thread was based on the premise that some type of tax "rebate" is going to be issued. The question, from my point of view, was wouldn't the money (if they are going to give it out anyway), be far more beneficial in the long run if used to HELP families get into home ownership. Wouldn't that in itself help the housing, and by association, the banking industry more than giving every person $800 or whatever.