This is exactly where you delivered on my predictions.

Also, if you do know anything about anything, indoor plumbing and central air conditioning is not a luxory limited to urban areas...

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

And you never fail to deliver on mine

I probably know more about exurban and rural areas than you do on a lot of levels. That's not the point.

Find a novel called "Aslan." Can't recall the author.

It details what you believe to be the ultimate in "civilization."

Your presentation in here is one of bitter arrogance, looking down your nose on those who are doing their lives via different approach. If what you outline for yourself works, fine.

But the reality is that the US has not been a rural population for oh, 70 years or so now. We live in cities because that's where the jobs are. If you have a trustfund or a job that does not require you to live in a city, good for you, but coming int a forum like this and sneering at those who don't happen to have this plan or who can't possibly have that plan is arrogance of the first order.

The very idea that more than 300 million people "should" do it the satv way (which is of course the "best" way) is arrogance, but also nonsense on stilts. Most Americans don't share your secluded-compound dream of paradise. Most of us don't mind having neighbors, like being able to drive or hell, even walk to the corner store, or to see a movie, or grab a bite to eat--at someplace other than Bob's Truckstop, too.

My in-laws had this same dream. They moved to a tiny, nasty little town on the windswept prairie. Population: 200. And that was being very, very hopeful on the town's part. As is the case in rural areas, they were "outsiders" and so were barely tolerated by the locals; only one of their neighbors ever said a word to them. They were not welcomed in what few local businesses there were in this "Mayberry" and eventually were chased out of town.

If that's the kind of thing that appeals to you (and unless you are truly going to Ted Kazinsky it, you'll be in a community of some sort, more power to you.

But I am guessing from the way you present this dream of yours, you have no idea what you are letting yourself in for. My in-laws were retired. I hope you will not be introducing children to this paradise when you go.

Tokie

I could care less where people choose to live, Either in the rural towns of Appalachia, or downtown Manhattan. I simply said where I want to retire so I do not have to deal with hassle of an Urban or Suburban life.

Thats all there was to it, and you made huge generalizations based on a single sentence. I called you on that and you add more.

Not all Libertarians are crusading militiamen. Most of us, just detest over taxation, large intrusive Government and defend property rights.

Despite what you try to imply with your humorous attempts to make people believe otherwise.

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

I suppose it's a matter of experience, satv. If you are not the typical, arrogant Libertarian looking down his nose at we "sheeple" because we don't follow your Pollyainish and largely unrealistic views and goals, that's good to hear.

Most Libertarians in my experience are of the other sort, certain that they have hit upon the right way, and arrogantly supposing that anyone who does not think turning the calendar back to 1785 (boy...that's a rough one on folks who have black skin, huh?) is such a hot idear are somehow anti-American, stupid, ignorant...you can fill in the blanks.

It would indeed be refreshing to encounter a Libertarian who does not think this way.

Tokie

A return to Gold and Silver backed monies is all I offered in such instances. I'm not advocating turning our economy back into agrarian yeomen, armed with muskets every so often being called into federal service to repel foreign invasions...

This is about what you think will be stable. Fiat or Gold and Silver backed money. Fiat money is not stable, that is evident. Gold and Silver money, properly introduced would (in my opinion) safeguard our monetary systems from inflation and give rise to more purchasing power of the dollar (the good kind of deflation).

And no, I would rather insinuate to you, that you are rather unfamiliar with Libertarianism, Not to be confused with libertarianism.

Libertarians are simply Minarchists who live in the real world and advocate the Austrian School in relation to economics and monetary policy. Along with strong civil liberties, smaller government, and minimum taxation at the Federal Level.

Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot, but I hope it clarifies it for you.

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

Then you need to call yourself something other than "Libertarian." Reforem Libertarian?

Turning the calendar back to 1785 has long been a staple argument of the L Party. No, I am not unfamiliar with the difference. Small "l" libertarians are more rational than big "L" Libertarians. They believe in fewer taxes and all that, but are RATIONAL about it. Every Libertarian I've ever known has advocated for that calender turnback.

How would you go about (re)introducing this monetary system without casting our and the world's econmy into chaos? I belive I asked this before....and got no response.

Here's a good question I like to see Libertarians dogde.

I asked this first of my state's Libertarian Party C-in-C back in the late 80s when the economy here and nationwide really was in the dumps and local charities were saying "we're full up!" and the state agencies were saying the same thing:

What should we do with the children of people who cannot or will not take care of them (those children)?

Tokie

Buy silver and gold, silver and gold, go buy silver and gold, beat ya too it, again,,,,,,,,,.................................... ...........silver and gold, buy silver and gold...........................silver and gold.again........................................ .................................................. .................................................. ...................

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"The conservative movement has been hijacked and turned into a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology, which is not the conservative movement I grew up with." Pat Buchanan

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
Thomas Jefferson

Returning to a dual standard of Gold and Silver would not plummet the world or National economy into chaos. It is not turning the clock back to 1785. People who will not produce for themselves, who are able to do so, have no sympathy from when they steal my money to pay for there day to day expenses.

It's called wealth distribution.

Also, I fail to see how Gold and Silver backed money would have adverse effects on the world economy as your semi-keynesian leanings would have you believe.

If your not cripple, or mentally ill. You have no business collecting money I and other working Americans paid into the Government.

__________________
"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

I guess I am once again being unclear in my questions. I'll try them again, and try to be more succinct and to-the-point this go 'round:

1. HOW would you go about reverting to the directly-backed gold, silver-backed currency system is the question I asked. I'd really like you to demonstrate for me that it would not plunge the US and world economies into utter chaos.

Can you do that? Yes, or no? If not, just say so and we'll move on. There's no shame in being economically ignorant.

2. The question I asked was: what would you, as a Libertarian, operating in a purely libertarian state, do with the children of those who cannot or will not care for them (those children)?

If you require any further clarification on either of these questions, just ask.

Another point: the US economy today is measured in $trillions if I am not mistaken. Your gold/silver-backed plan would, if I am not utterly myself ignorant of economics result in either our having to quickly get to the asteroid belt to obtain more of those metals or a retraction of our economy that would surpass even the fondest dreams of Peach, she of the LTSF and white, food-grade buckets (who took a powder once I identified her for the Y2ker she once was...I actually think I used to run into her on a Y2k site where she and just about everyone else on there made utter asses of themselves. Ask me about it sometime..it was an absolute hoot!).

Tokie

Does printing a hundred billion dollars out of thin air effect our economy badly? Yes it raises inflation rates. My counter to that is your question is vague, A return to commodity backed currency would not revert back to some Global Depression.

They didn't when most of Europe switched to the Euro. Why would they then if America went back on the Gold Standard? Right after world war 2, America went back on a silver standard, did we plunge into a second depression?

My counter about welfare is no. I give to charity, I believe private charity would actually provide for them better in a lot of cases. And if they have parents, well look at them for blame. If you can not afford to have Children, Don't have them adn expect me and others to pay for them.

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman