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Old 01-05-2008, 07:31 PM
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In regards to health care reform, what plans do you have in mind for the poor and those living in poverty to get the proper medical care they require, i.e., emergency surgery and other expensive health care procedures?
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I'd like to hear this .

The floor is yours .

What plans do you have?
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Remove Government intervention in the Medical area of the free Market and prices will go down. Charities can pay for the poor. Do not take it out of my paycheck.
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In regards to health care reform, what plans do you have in mind for the poor and those living in poverty to get the proper medical care they require, i.e., emergency surgery and other expensive health care procedures?
Simple, just tax the rich and the corporations and instill more regulations and use the money to provide healthcare to lower class and middle class families because the rich-elite are the ones who callously purchase the best healthcare.
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Old 01-05-2008, 08:17 PM
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In regards to health care reform, what plans do you have in mind for the poor and those living in poverty to get the proper medical care they require, i.e., emergency surgery and other expensive health care procedures?

Encourage them to go to school, get off welfare, stay out of jail, and get a job WITH insurance?
Lets start at the beginning: WHY are they poor? Lazy? Poor life choices? Parents that don't care? Fourth, or fifth, generation welfare recipients? Yes there are a few that are truly victims of circumstance, but the VAST majority are there because of poor life choices.
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Encourage them to go to school, get off welfare, stay out of jail, and get a job WITH insurance?
Lets start at the beginning: WHY are they poor? Lazy? Poor life choices? Parents that don't care? Fourth, or fifth, generation welfare recipients? Yes there are a few that are truly victims of circumstance, but the VAST majority are there because of poor life choices.
I think something I would support would be some form of free vocational training.
Wait, we have that already...

Or help to find employment. Wait we got that.

Maybe we could just realize that the only people who should qualify for free medical care are cripples and the mentally ill. Cause they are the only ones who can not help being poor.
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You boys do realize that people die , because they loose their jobs and have pre existing conditions . If you have cancer and they fire you , which some employers do because you miss more than allotted sick days while getting cancer treatments , then you are screwed .

Best get down on your knees and pray they have the cancer cured , because you will not get another insurance company to take you on.

For real christians this is unacceptable .

Obviously as a nation we need to provide low cost care for all and take the middle men who are making all the money out of it.

It does not have to be government paid for care , just as long as its low cost and cannot be denied.
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You boys do realize that people die , because they loose their jobs and have pre existing conditions . If you have cancer and they fire you , which some employers do because you miss more than allotted sick days while getting cancer treatments , then you are screwed .

Best get down on your knees and pray they have the cancer cured , because you will not get another insurance company to take you on.

For real christians this is unacceptable .

Obviously as a nation we need to provide low cost care for all and take the middle men who are making all the money out of it.

It does not have to be government paid for care , just as long as its low cost and cannot be denied.


I would hope a god fearing Christian like yourself would donate to charities that provide free healthcare for such people?
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Remove Government intervention in the Medical area of the free Market and prices will go down. Charities can pay for the poor. Do not take it out of my paycheck.
It is the government support for employer healthcare via all sorts of tax subsidies and special legal protections for the corporations and the insurance companies that has done a great deal to make individual policies all but unaffordable to all but the top 10% income earners.

As someone without employer provided healthcare, even with me paying the cost, and as someone without government healthcare, I would love to see the government remove all the subsidies for employer healthcare and pretty much force corporations to drop their group plans. In fact, I think the government should prohibit group healthcare policies force everyone to go to individual plans.

That is the fastest way to single payer healthcare as advocated by Dennis Kucinich.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:02 AM
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Encourage them to go to school, get off welfare, stay out of jail, and get a job WITH insurance?
Lets start at the beginning: WHY are they poor? Lazy? Poor life choices? Parents that don't care? Fourth, or fifth, generation welfare recipients? Yes there are a few that are truly victims of circumstance, but the VAST majority are there because of poor life choices.
I suppose the worst life choice that many of the people without healthcare made was first who fathered them, and second, who carried them to term. But then the government prevents them from getting a job by setting the minimum working age at about 15 leaving most of those people living off of others for the first 15 years of their life. So, I guess the minimum age laws need to be eliminated so people can be put to work at age three or four. The really young kids used to be put to work in the mines when they were really little because they fit in the small spaces around the mine railway doors between sections of the mine; they opened and closed the doors when the hopper cars came by. By the time they were six or seven they were experience enough in the mines to work on the small seams of coal that were less than a foot thick that the teen agers couldn't get into.

Those were the glory days of individual responsibility. Of course, there was no need for health insurance because who needs health insurance when killed by carbon monoxide, a mine fall, a mine explosion, or end up with black lung at the age of 15. Even today the healthcare industry has nothing to offer those with black lung, so why bother with healthcare insurance.
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