Hitler = powerhungry dictator.
Hillary = powerhungre wannabe dictator.
Hitler = socialist fascist.
Hillary = socialist fascist.
Hitler = hairy upper lip.
Hillary = hairy upper lip.

I guess I fail to see the distinction, VA.

Maybe you could clarify?

Tokie

Well, Ron Paul has about as much chance of getting the nod as did Tancredo.

To be sure, the Rs under Bush have done all that you say, and more.

Here is the difference: while the Rs are not terribly American these days, they are not openly hostile to America and Western civilization; they understand, at least, that turning the world over to the likes of Osama bin Laden would be a ... poor approach.

Most importantly, to every American who has to earn his daily bread (maybe you are like the libs in here, and your trustfund is protected offshore and it takes care of all your needs, I don't know) the reality is that the very first thing Hitlery and a socialist Congress will do is raise taxes.

They will claim it is to pay for all the debt and deficit the Rs built up, but the real reason is to further enslave Americans.

I understand your fury at the Rs. I am furioius myself. I've been one since Reagan and I was uttlery gulled by the traitor in the White House.

For the past year, I've been saying I was going to vote for Tancredo in my state's primary, then re-register as an "I" and pencil him in at the election, knowning he had not a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nod, nor certainly of winning the presidency.

Then I grew up.

The reality is, throwing away my vote, as you are doing, will indeed help turn the last two branches of our government over to the socialists (they already control the courts).

Then I put on big boy pants, and decided that the best approach is not to roll around on floor having a crying fit about the traitor I helped put in the White House and the numbers of weak-willed wimps I help put in the House and Senate. That accomplishes nothing and throwing away my vote can only make things worse.

Do you really believe that "things can't get worse!" with an actual, avowed socialist in the Oval Office and a Congress handily controlled by openly socialist Congressmen and Senators?

If you do, then either you have a very poor imagination or are completely ignorant of how that's worked out for other places over the past 150 years or so.

I think you need to do what I did: put your big boy pants back on, and when the time comes, vote R. Hold your nose if you must, but only an utter fool would stand here, stamping his pretty little feet while screaming "I'm sending a message!!" knowing what will happen to America should the socialist be handed such complete control.

Are you a fool?

Tokie

Indeed you are correct. Statistically.
No. Firstly I don't consider the Bush administration a conservative or republican bunch. In 2000 Bush said many things he didn't hold up to, "NO nation building...yada yada yada," and this admin spends like a kid in a candy store. Meanwhile government is bigger than before and with items such as the Patriot Act and Real ID, it only gets bigger and more prongs in my home.

So atm I feel like we have a more liberal government and more socialist than before, even more so than the Dems. To be direct, we have a nationalist socialist system where the fed runs all and the common man is cool with it, in fact so cool with it they are up in arms about any dissent or disenchantment that comes across their bow.

Neo-cons to me seem to be an offshoot of hard core liberalism from the late 60s early 70s who run on a republican ticket. Kind of a paradox.

I think this would be the most moronic portion of a voter's action. The reason I say this is because IF the current admin ran on a Republican ticket and turned out so far from the R party, why just vote along party lines instead of investigating each and every single candidate? The mistake this could prove would be that of another Bush in the WH. Just like the mistake of 2000 where Bush promised one thing and did another.

More so, it would be irresponsible of a voter to just vote party affiliation just for the sake of NOT having an opposing party in the WH. That is what some call sheeple and in my mind perpetuates the stagnation of the common man's disenfranchisement and dissent/distrust of the system itself and the government body in general.

On the flip side I think there is a few people on both the dem and republican side who could do really well for this country who are running right now. My choice happens to be a republican but it has nothing to do with my registration as a voter, but more as what I'd want my country to be like, and I don't like nationalist socialist as we are becoming, we all know how well that did Germany.

Well, since it's clear that libs knew before GW was elected the first time, that he was going to do this, it makes me wonder: why din't you say sumptin' then!?

Yean, good advice to satv from someone desperate to see socialism in America so she can then stop having a socio-cultural system in place that demands we look to ourselves for our own personal and professional failures.

Much nicer to be able to blame Big Brother and have Big Brother protect you.

Moron.

Tokie

Tokie

What you fail to see is there is a master plan to what the Republicans have done. If they wanted to punish somebody for 911 they should have went after the saudi's or Iran for that matter . But they didn't . They went to iraq and they did that to get the oil and to spend billions upon billions lining the pockets of their buddies like Halliburton. Geez tokie wake up. They have put this country in serious debt. The first time I have ever heard the comptroller general say we may have hit a fiscal point that is unsustainable and the way back cannot be seen. And this is being done in the name of a war on terror , where the main boogey man has still not been caught.

Money does not grow on trees , even the US does not have a unlimited supply. The Republicans for some time now have been driving this country fiscally into the ground . And they get people like you to go along with it by offering you a bone here and there in the way of a tax cut. Your so easy , and they know it. Give you a little money and you'll run off happy while they continue to rape and ruin our country.

Got news for you tokie , I would pay a lot more in taxes , if it kept my country from being absorbed by the one world government or merged with Mexico . Surely even you can see that is what most of the politicians are trying to do. Especially the Republicans . They think it will be good for business.

These are neo-cons mind you, not Republicans. Ask any republican running currently and they'd agree.

Oh believe me I did say something loud and long. I am no Democrat I try to support third party candidates when I can. Last Democrat I voted for was clear back at Jimmy Carter till George Bush came along. Then I realized we were in for a real danger in this man. So I worked long and hard , giving my money and my time to try to get the best of two evils elected in both Gore and Kerry . Not that I thought either of them was going to reform the government the way it needs to be done. But because I knew Bush was going to ruin this country. No doubt he just about has put the nails in the coffin.

As for the rest of what you say , I have no idea what you are talking about.

I am no socialist , by a long shot. I am however a follower of Christ's . And I know that Christ said we should feed the hungry , help the sick , father less and widows , that what we do for the least of these we do for him.

I also know that the bible says if a person is too lazy to work they should not eat.

So you have no clue what you speak of tokie. I'd like to see reforms in social programs so lazy people didn't take advantage of them , but if the alternative to stopping a few lazy people from taking advantage is that we end them and hurt all the people who really need them , than I am not for that.

As for my own life. You don't have a clue who I am. Let it suffice to say that I retired two years ago at the age of 47 after having worked very hard to get what I have and after my three kids finished college.

Rest assured that I will never be a burden to anybody. Including my kids . I have provided for myself .

I wonder what the big R was next to Dumbya's name during the election?

They are neocon Republicans.....maybe not the Republicans you like, but that is what they are....

Kind of like "Christian" doesn't really imply a static set of principles...a lot of variation exists within that label....true of any large diverse group of people...

Your not convincing me. I will maintain my stance on voting Ron Paul or Libertarian. I am, after all. A Libertarian and not a Republican.

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I really liked this part of your post. Shows both good sense and true compassion.