Hmm....silence.

I can only take that to mean that no, PulingNorman and his whining, leftist minions in here DON'T understand ...well, purt near anythin' about modern economics.

Thread Closed.

Tokie

Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)
Capital gains tax
Corporate income tax
Estate tax in the United States
Excise tax (includes taxes on cigarettes and alcoholic beverages)
Federal income tax
Federal unemployment tax (FUTA)
FICA tax (includes Social Security tax and related programs)
Gasoline tax
Generation Skipping Tax
Gift tax
IRS penalties
Local income tax
Luxury taxes
Property tax
Real estate tax
Recreational vehicle tax
Road usage taxes (Truckers)
Sales tax and equivalent use tax
School tax
State income tax
State unemployment tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Vehicle sales tax
Workers compensation tax
Marriage License tax
Parking Fine tax
Speeding ticket tax
Seatbelt ticket tax
FCC fine tax
Gun license tax
Drivers License fee tax
State Identification Car fee tax
Birth Certificate replacement fee tax
Social security card replacement fee tax
Yard sale permit tax
Leaf Burning permit tax
Liquor license fee tax
Stamp tax



I got a list of a little over 2,000 forms of direct and indirect taxation in the United States. I fail to see how the income tax on wealthy or poor. Corporation or Private Bussiness amounts to a much needed source of Income for the Government.

You people just want to redistribute wealth to the "poor" in the form of social programs that do not work, nor realy benefit society as whole.

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"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

It's not a matter of "helping" anyone in the view from the elitist top of the socialits movement. It's being able to tell morons like the libs in here that they can, by taking from "the rich" give more to them, the poor.

The idear is a simple one: make as many people as possible beholden to the largesse of the government. Only libs can promise more and more to those who are net tax benefit recievers (the poor). Add to this, increasingly onerous taxation on those who actually produce ("the rich") impoverishing many of them, forcing many out of business and thereby making more and more people (their former employees) ever more beholden to gov't just to survive, and you set yourself up quite nicely.

Hey, it worked for the Soviet Union...just look how vibrant and economically solid THEY are today!

Tokie

The Soviet Union's economic model could not even produce Consumer goods like toilet paper and tooth paste. Let us not forget about the fact they needed to invade Asia Minor and Eastern Europe to have adequate agricultural and Oil outputs...

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"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

Hi Tokie,

There is about 40% more people in those top earning brackets in 2003 compared to 1979....and there's about 40% more people in the lower brackets as well...in fact, the 40% number is true for all of the brackets. As the population grows, the brackets grow but stay in the same proportion to one another....that's how percentiles work, Tokie.....comprehend???

For example, in 1979, the top 1% accounted for 922,000 of the returns; the bottom 10% accounted for 9,220,000 of the returns (10 times more than the top 1%....make sense, right Tokie?). In 2003, the top 1% accounted for 1,288,000 returns and the bottom 10% accounted for 12,878,000 returns....same proportions, Tokie, relative to one another.

Your argument that those upper classes are "bigger" than they were in 1979 and that accounts for the larger share of income falls way short mathematically....all the brackets are bigger and bigger by the same proportion.....next.

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And now, I'm the Elitist of liberal Elitists...

Good try, Tokie.....thread reopened...see above.

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The Lone Ranger of the AWE liberal elitists.....who was that masked man???

And now, I'm the Elitist of liberal Elitists...

That's right, Sam....these numbers are strictly based on individual incomes reported to the IRS. I have no idea what the true numbers would look like.

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And now, I'm the Elitist of liberal Elitists...

What are you trying to argue?

Because the rich or upper classes have more money than you, they should pay more % out of there personal income?...


Simply because they make more money than you?


That kind of discourages productivity, and demonizes anyone who gets ahead in society. It tells the people if you don't get a job, or bother to educate yourself, than don't worry! The welfare state will take care of your 7 kids, and give you everything you need...

Seems the antithesis of a free society. Take my money and give it to someone else. Simply because I have more.

It's called Socialism.

Admit it, your socialist.

__________________
"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman

I am a socialist....well, at least to a certain degree...

The historical impmentations of socialism in many cases have left much to be desired.

As did Laissez Faire capitalism...

Human nature has many elements, culture determines which elements of human nature are nurtured....

Pure monetary reward is not the only value that can be ascribed to one's life...that is where culture needs to come in and promote something other than materialism.

As long as we have Monies. Capitalism is the best course to go. Anything else would be Government with too much Control over our daily lives.


So Promote a way to abolish money. Than we can think of a better way...

__________________
"It is the Right of the People to alter or abolish the Government"
Declaration of Independence
"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."
Thomas Jefferson
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
Milton Friedman