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12-12-2007, 03:30 PM
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US Economy Collapsing!!!
According to the Scripps Wire service (parentheticals, mine):
Revenue in the nation's (US) manufacturing (that means: folks who make things) economy is expected to grow at triple the pace of the service sector in 2008, a private survey of purchasing managers indicated (12/11/07.)
Thi Institute for Supply Management (professional organization for the people who have to guess what materiel they will need for the coming year) said it's survey of about 400 purchasing and supply management executives (no doubt all hoping to drive their companies into the ground to get those "golden parachutes") showed they (the execs) expect a 6.8% increase (purt near on par with the 5-7% overall economic growth in the US, since 2001) in manufacturing next year. (Moreover, this compares to an anticipated, only) 2-percent rise in service revenue (and)...compares with reported grown rates of 2.4% (mfg.) and 1.3% (service) this year (2007).
Hmmm.... but hasn't the left-advocacy media, hoping to drive American's view of the economy into the basement ,been telling us for years now (since, roughly, 01/21/2001, for some reason) that there IS no "manufacturing" in America, that we are only a "service economy," and that besides, the economy today is heading into recession if not actual depression, no matter the sector?
Why, sure they have!
And liberal water-carriers like so many in here, have been parroting that theme at every opportunity.
Now we'll get to see them respond to this.
Prepare to be serenaded by the crickets.
Of course, if a Dem wins the White House in 2008, you can bet that as of 1/21/09, the economy will suddenly become as healthy and growing as it's ever been!
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12-12-2007, 03:39 PM
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The left my ass. Anybdy think manufucarting is going up needss to unfuck themselves. NO place is the term "offshore" uttered more then in manufacturing. Theres a huge diffrence between asshole bean counters and econonic theory and the reality of it.
Why dont these beean counters explain how why anybody is going to build a plant here when labor is 100 times cheaper elsewhere?
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12-12-2007, 04:02 PM
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I think you can watch Ross Perot's presidential debates and see that he predicted most of the economic situations we have now. $3.00 a Gallon gasoline, among many.
The fact is, the WTO encourages America to ship it's manufacturing to the third world. It undermines our economic sovereignty in setting tarriffs. So my personal opinion is protectionist and 3rd world centric trade alliances like WTO and NAFTA do nothing but help 3rd world nations and redistribute wealth from America to poor Communist Nations.
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12-12-2007, 04:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
The left my ass. Anybdy think manufucarting is going up needss to unfuck themselves. NO place is the term "offshore" uttered more then in manufacturing. Theres a huge diffrence between asshole bean counters and econonic theory and the reality of it.
Why dont these beean counters explain how why anybody is going to build a plant here when labor is 100 times cheaper elsewhere?
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Get off the crack. Labor is NOT 100 times cheaper. Companies go offshore for three reasons:
1) Taxes. The Left wants to keep raising them on companies.
2) Red Tape. The left throws up roadblocks for EVERY American company.
3) Law Suits. The Left, and the Trial Lawyers who support them, allow ANYONE to sue for ANYTHING.
Turn off the cartoons, and talk to someone who actually owns, or runs, a company.
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12-12-2007, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
The left my ass. Anybdy think manufucarting is going up needss to unfuck themselves. NO place is the term "offshore" uttered more then in manufacturing. Theres a huge diffrence between asshole bean counters and econonic theory and the reality of it.
Why dont these beean counters explain how why anybody is going to build a plant here when labor is 100 times cheaper elsewhere?
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Y'all shore dun tol 'em!
Um...but then....there's the numbers...UP 6.8%, which is um, lesseee, carry the inverse multipler, divide by the hypotonuse and um, it's nearly 3x the revenue boost of that seen in the service sector.
Oh, sure...Dwayne and Dwight may not've seen a "new plant" built in these here parts for some time, but um...then thar's them numbers....
Hmmm.
This is not "asshole beeeencounters" or "economic theory" (I'm guessing that second one is something you read of the back of a cereal box) it's a story in an otherwise left-advocacy media (buried in my paper, where I found it, just after a story trying to say that the stock market is in deep doo-doo because the Fed only cut the marginal interest rate this much, rather than that much and the stock market took a dive so noteworthy, even the nightly "news" did not bother mentioning it...) showing that (in case the subtlety escapes you Dwaye...or Dwight, which ever of the Redneck Twins you be, that manufacturing revenues (not to be confused with "revenooers" in your neck t' the woods) were up last year and are expected to climb much higher this year, and indeed were up over service sector revenues (meaning they garnered a larger share of the over all market) last year and will likely be up over them again next year.
Now, you, in your blind fury because they been layin' off down to the tire recycling plant, call this "beeean counter" bullshit, but the numbers are what they are, and the guys in the suits who do the projections for what their companies will need to buy to continue operations next year are not in fact, the CEOs with offshore accounts, but guys who have to go down to the plant floor and find out what primary, secondary and sometimes tertiary materials are needed so that they can keep MAKING the PRODUCTS they make here in the US of A.
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12-12-2007, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Still Dizzy
Get off the crack. Labor is NOT 100 times cheaper. Companies go offshore for three reasons:
1) Taxes. The Left wants to keep raising them on companies.
2) Red Tape. The left throws up roadblocks for EVERY American company.
3) Law Suits. The Left, and the Trial Lawyers who support them, allow ANYONE to sue for ANYTHING.
Turn off the cartoons, and talk to someone who actually owns, or runs, a company.
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YOU get off the crack!
Oh...wait a minute.
You're right.
Keep smokin whatever it is you be smokin' bro!
Nice to see someone else in here whose crack pipe is half-full.
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12-12-2007, 04:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Still Dizzy
Get off the crack. Labor is NOT 100 times cheaper. Companies go offshore for three reasons:
1) Taxes. The Left wants to keep raising them on companies.
2) Red Tape. The left throws up roadblocks for EVERY American company.
3) Law Suits. The Left, and the Trial Lawyers who support them, allow ANYONE to sue for ANYTHING.
Turn off the cartoons, and talk to someone who actually owns, or runs, a company.
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It's more like this:
1) Taxes: American companies go off shore because they don't want to pay anything, let alone their fair shore.
2) Red Tape: The Right wants corporations to have carte blanche to do anything they want, regardless of repercussions.
3) Law Suits: Corporations, supported by the right, wish to ruin lives without being held accountable.
Corporations who go off shore are committing a form of treason.
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12-12-2007, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by satv365
I think you can watch Ross Perot's presidential debates and see that he predicted most of the economic situations we have now. $3.00 a Gallon gasoline, among many.
The fact is, the WTO encourages America to ship it's manufacturing to the third world. It undermines our economic sovereignty in setting tarriffs. So my personal opinion is protectionist and 3rd world centric trade alliances like WTO and NAFTA do nothing but help 3rd world nations and redistribute wealth from America to poor Communist Nations.
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I believe that Perot understood a thing or three about economics, but he was running a campaign, too.
You, apparently have no friggin clue.
A: gas prices have been dropping...pretty sharpely the last 3 weeks or so.
Second, $3.00/gal. is about what I was paying (real dollars) in oh, 1977-78. When Ross was still wheeling and dealing behind the scenes to snag alla them gummint projects that made him rich.
And 4: People in America are getting richer. True, the poorest among us are getting richer at a greater tick than the middle-class and very rich, but we all have to make sacrifices.
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12-12-2007, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tokenconservative
I believe that Perot understood a thing or three about economics, but he was running a campaign, too.
You, apparently have no friggin clue.
A: gas prices have been dropping...pretty sharpely the last 3 weeks or so.
Second, $3.00/gal. is about what I was paying (real dollars) in oh, 1977-78. When Ross was still wheeling and dealing behind the scenes to snag alla them gummint projects that made him rich.
And 4: People in America are getting richer. True, the poorest among us are getting richer at a greater tick than the middle-class and very rich, but we all have to make sacrifices.Tokie
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Exactly what did you say you were smoking? People's discrecianary income is getting smaller. Which means, perhaps they are making more money, however, the extra is being eaten up by higher fuel, housing, food, necessities.
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12-12-2007, 04:43 PM
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What kind of fucking idiot thinks Chinese people make anywhere near american minimum wage. Fucking idiots.
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Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
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