But we aren't talking about communism - and repeating that we are until you're blue in the face won't change that.

Socialism and Communism are not the same thing and believing in a mixed market Kensyian style economic system doesn't make one a communist any more than being a Bush supporter makes one a fascist.

Try to respond with something more than childish invective.

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If you are talking about extreme socialism you are talking about the first baby steps of communism. It all starts out with the best of intentions...until it gets to point were it starts to reel beneath the pressure of its own weight...then the corruption and the greed of appointed leadership comes into full view as they see their precious idea start to crumble. If you can find one example of any socialist republic of history that actually works with out making either the people or its military suffer please present the example there of....and the Canadian example is useless due to the fact that you people take advantage of the US and its Military Strength to protect you from the evils of this world...the same with the most of Europe....as the US has had to bail them out of many military jams. BD

Through no fault of your own Bluedog you have believed lies about both communism and socialism

The Merriam Webster dictionary defines communism as

" A theory advocating elimination of private property, a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed."

Sound familiar BD? Like in the new testament church where everybody shared all and took care of the widows, fatherless, sick and needy?

Definition of communism - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

For a more in depth explanation of the ideology behind communism

Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and while I agree that communism has been abused as a ideology. That people have taken this noble idea and profited or hassled people for their beliefs . The ideology behind communism is a closer one to biblical principles than is capitalism which could be defined as each man for himself, or to the strongest go the spoils.

Any way as I said I am a advocate of capitalism, with some humanitarian socialism mixed in.

The noble ideal that begat communism will only happen in reality when Christ returns. In the mean time we can step back from our endless prusuit of money and remember to help those in need. The best of both ideologies in my opinion and I bet the Lord would agree.

I really am staking my soul on the fact he will.

When, in the last 50 years, did we run an invading army out of Canada?
I missed that somewhere.....

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wvpeach,

Admittedly, I'm not very religious. But, I've always wondered the connection for some between Christianity and capitalism. Again, I'm not super knowledgeable in this area, but I would have to think that Jesus was NOT a capitalist....if anything, he would be closer to a socialist...given the way he lived, sharing with others, etc. Yet, many diehards seem to treat the two interchangeably.

Now, this has no bearing on my economic beliefs....I think there needs to be a happy medium between Laizzes-faire capitalism and socialism.

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Sure that is the "theory"....but again when the rubber hits the road....I will ask you the same historical question. Please find one example of any extreme socialist republic that works...without making either their people suffer or their ability to provide their won security suffer. China....the world leader in product output...with a strong military?.....At the expense of who? The people that are forced(FORCED) to work in unsafe conditions and at very low or no pay in lieu thereof.(and the world leader in corrupting the environment) Russia....Belly up and rebuilding....Cuba....bankrupt and living on the handouts of other soon to be failing communist states....even so with the social nations in Europe..that offer free and open drugs....sex..etc...and make claims to being neutral.....why? Because they can not defend themselves and appease every despot and dictator that comes across their border....not much of a national security plan...depending upon the fairness of other to keep your neutrality.....In fact would the United States even exist today if it were not for the fact of Capitalism....the proven best system in the world...that many are now in fact trying to emulate....thus all the trading. There is no other nation under the sun that offer both the security of a strong military and the many freedoms offered it citizens to be religious...secular....or anywhere in between.....This is why I believe in Capitalism....it is a proven benefactor of mankind...much unlike social communism as proven by historical example. BD

BD

Let me throw something out for your consideration. I do this because I know you are a decent human being and a brother to me.

Canada at the moment its true does not need to invest much in their military . Nor does Mexico . As both countries know the US would never allow them to fall because of our own interests.

Now here's the part I want you to think about. If the US had not spent 1/2 our resources and treasure on military buildup do you think as a North American continent the three countries might have formed a alliance to jointly fund a North American military defence?

Have we ever asked Canada or Mexico to spend money to buy fleets of planes or ships to defend North America?

Have we made any attempt to spread the cost of defending the North American continent among the 3 countries?

The answer is predominately ..... NO

Why? Because American military contractors are sucking up all the money like calfs on a dried up teet.

Its all about the American Military Industrial Complex which general Dwight Eisenhower , one of the best presidents this country ever had took seriously enough to warn the American people about in his farewell speech when leaving office.

Eisenhower spent his last years after office trying to warn people that if we did not reign in the war for profit scenario we find ourselfs in it would be the down fall of this country.


You know I used to pull a old trick on my kids blue dog. I'd say I bet you a ice cream cone I can mow more of the yard than you can.

Off they would go, fast as their little legs could go, determined to mow more lawn than mom. They always won! HA HA

But it didn't take too long before my kids found out they were getting the raw end of that deal.

Why shouldn't Canada and Mexico let us defend them? Pretty smart economic move on those two countries part I'd say. But I also bet both countries would spend more of their own treasure on defense if the US hadn't been so quick to do it for them.

What do you think BD?

There is it's called Kenysian economics or the mixed market.
But I don't support 'extreme socialism' whatever that means. I support Social Democracy, as seen in Scandinavian countries, or Canada or in the US pre-Reagan. An extremely effective and successful system that spurs wealth creation and the economy while sharing the benefits at least a little more equitably.

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And these same evil corporations are not owned by Americans...and do not pay taxes? In fact without the investment that these evil corporations invested in WW2....we would all be speaking German right now as we speak...or script...I just do not get it.....one can not help the wage earner by bringing down he wage payer....there must be compromise....I am a democrat...believe it or not...but I am not so gullible as to think that this nation could exist only on a socialist platform or without our "ULTRA STRONG" military.....we would be in the same boat as the Europeans....depending upon others for their protection. BD

Well said Storman Norman

The problem is people cannot seperate the two. As I said earlier most seem to think its all one way or the other.

I say we can have a humanitarian capitalist system in the US if we so desire.

The key is to balance the two.