Thread: The "betrayus" Add

Originally Posted by StormanNorman

I assume you are talking about SINO-SOVIET being the one Dem the disapproved of the add....

Talking about you, although you claim to be an independant. Of course, if you want to then we can put you in the indy category for these purposes so I can push the approval rating among Dems for this ad to 87.5%, with 12.5% having no opinion, and 0% disapproving of the ad.

Again, it is a small sample size, but it is waaayyyy off what most Dems think about the ad. The base of the Democratic Party is moving more to the far left and that can only be a good thing for Republicans. Like I said before, even if the Dems are fortunate enough to win in 08' (and that is not a done deal), this shift further to the left will hurt the Dems big in coming years.

Originally Posted by Dom1

Talking about you, although you claim to be an independant. Of course, if you want to then we can put you in the indy category for these purposes so I can push the approval rating among Dems for this ad to 87.5%, with 12.5% having no opinion, and 0% disapproving of the ad.

Again, it is a small sample size, but it is waaayyyy off what most Dems think about the ad. The base of the Democratic Party is moving more to the far left and that can only be a good thing for Republicans. Like I said before, even if the Dems are fortunate enough to win in 08' (and that is not a done deal), this shift further to the left will hurt the Dems big in coming years.

Then, where does SINO-SOVIET fall in your sample???

CBS News Poll. Sept. 14-16, 2007. N=706 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?"

Disapprove 70%
Approve 25%
Unsure 5%

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Democrats in Congress are handling the situation with Iraq?"

Approve 31%
Disapprove 57%
Unsure 12%

[DOM1, I figure 44% of those that disapprove of Democrats performance are anti-war patriots that feel they aren't fighting Bush hard enough.]


"From what you know about the U.S. involvement in Iraq, how much longer would you be willing to have large numbers of U.S. troops remain in Iraq: less than a year, one to two years, two to five years or longer than five years?"

Less Than A Year 49%
One to Two Years 23%
Two to Five Years 12%
Longer Than Five Years 5%
Other/Unsure 11%

"President Bush has proposed reducing the number of U.S. troops in Iraq to pre-surge levels by the summer of 2008. Do you think by next summer he should remove more troops than that, remove fewer troops than that, or is that the right amount to remove?"

Remove More 47%
Remove Fewer 7%
Right Amount 29%
Remove All Now 3%
Depends/Unsure 14%

Originally Posted by toxic

CBS News Poll. Sept. 14-16, 2007. N=706 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?"

Disapprove 70%
Approve 25%
Unsure 5%

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way Democrats in Congress are handling the situation with Iraq?"

Approve 31%
Disapprove 57%
Unsure 12%

[b][DOM1, I figure 44% of those that disapprove of Democrats performance are anti-war patriots that don't feel they are fighting Bush hard enough.]


"From what you know about the U.S. involvement in Iraq, how much longer would you be willing to have large numbers of U.S. troops remain in Iraq: less than a year, one to two years, two to five years or longer than five years?"

Less Than A Year 49%
One to Two Years 23%
Two to Five Years 12%
Longer Than Five Years 5%
Other/Unsure 11%

"President Bush has proposed reducing the number of U.S. troops in Iraq to pre-surge levels by the summer of 2008. Do you think by next summer he should remove more troops than that, remove fewer troops than that, or is that the right amount to remove?"

Remove More 47%
Remove Fewer 7%
Right Amount 29%
Remove All Now 3%
Depends/Unsure 14%

WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THEY DISAPPROVE OF THE WAR ALL TOGATHER? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD WIDTHDRAW FROM IRAQ? IT DOESENT. IT JUST SPEAKS OF "APPROVAL/DISAPPROVAL OF HOW THE WAR IS HANDELED!" I PARTICULARLY THINK IT IS HANDELES BADLY BECAUSE OF THE DAMN ROE'S. YOU SEE IT GOES BOTH WAYS. HOWEVER YOUR POLL IS MISSLEADING BECAUSE IT MENTIONS NOTHING ABOUT WIDTHDRAW FROM IRAQ! NICE TRY THOUGH!

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Sept. 7-9, 2007. N=1,017 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Do you think the policies being proposed by George W. Bush would move the country in the right direction or the wrong direction?"

Wrong Direction 61%
Right Direction 34%
Unsure 5%


Note: Cognative dissonance theory indicates that:

Studies have shown, about 33% of Space Alien Believers become more confident in their beliefs and leader, after a failed public visit/meeting with the Aliens and/or Spacecraft.

The theory is also widely applied to soldiers and rural people.

Originally Posted by Smitty0311

WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THEY DISAPPROVE OF THE WAR ALL TOGATHER? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD WIDTHDRAW FROM IRAQ? IT DOESENT. IT JUST SPEAKS OF "APPROVAL/DISAPPROVAL OF HOW THE WAR IS HANDELED!" I PARTICULARLY THINK IT IS HANDELES BADLY BECAUSE OF THE DAMN ROE'S. YOU SEE IT GOES BOTH WAYS. HOWEVER YOUR POLL IS MISSLEADING BECAUSE IT MENTIONS NOTHING ABOUT WIDTHDRAW FROM IRAQ! NICE TRY THOUGH!

Smitty, the ROE is tight because of the situation we put ourselves in. You didn't get your CAS coverage and other things because Petraeus and others understand that significant collateral damage events can do tremendous damage to the mission. As you know, we are trying to build an ally in Iraq and trying to hold a factionous country together. If we alienate the population, we don't have a chance....Petraeus knows this...

Originally Posted by StormanNorman

Then, where does SINO-SOVIET fall in your sample???

I have no idea what political grouping to put him in. He may just be in a group all of his own. He is a socialist supporting racist who thinks that Bush is a Christian fascist. Where would you put him?

The following Dec 2006 Poll had 6 categories, which I combined to make 3 to simplify copying. Plus I left out Unsure which was a small number, except for Ford it was 5%.

USA Today/Gallup Poll. Dec. 8-10, 2006. N=1,009 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"How do you think each of the following presidents will go down in history -- as an outstanding president, above average, average, below average, or poor? . . . ."

George W Bush
Outstanding/Above Avg 19%
Average 27%
Below Average/Poor 54%

Bill Clinton
Outstanding/Above Avg 45%
Average 29%
Below Average/Poor 25%

George HW Bush
Outstanding/Above Avg 32%
Average 50%
Below Average/Poor 18%

Ronald Reagan
Outstanding/Above Avg 64%
Average 26%
Below Average/Poor 10%

Jimmy Carter
Outstanding/Above Avg 38%
Average 38%
Below Average/Poor 22%

Gerald Ford
Outstanding/Above Avg 23%
Average 60%
Below Average/Poor 12%

Truman is considered one of our better presidents by many and he had extremely low approval ratings when he left office. If those questions would have been asked about Truman in 1952 then the numbers would not have been very good. It is hard to judge how a person will go down in history until quite a few years have passed.

Originally Posted by StormanNorman

Smitty, the ROE is tight because of the situation we put ourselves in. You didn't get your CAS coverage and other things because Petraeus and others understand that significant collateral damage events can do tremendous damage to the mission. As you know, we are trying to build an ally in Iraq and trying to hold a factionous country together. If we alienate the population, we don't have a chance....Petraeus knows this...

Whoa, The ROEs seem lax to me in comparison to Vietnam. Guys would be up on charges for stuff I have seen on various videos. Of course, we were truely working a counterinsurgency mission.

I have skimmed through Petraeus's manual and can say that recent videos continue to show non-compliance. Smitty's opinions should get him busted to E01.