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07-19-2006, 07:47 PM
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Another thing that people are missing is that the documents that form the government of the USA apply to LIVING, breathing human beings, and most of the time - they apply ONLY to citizens. If you haven't been born yet, you are not a citizen...
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07-19-2006, 07:51 PM
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People now a days will not accept responsibility for themselves. Today abortion is just another form of birth control like marriage is just another stage of dating. It means nothing to some people.
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07-19-2006, 08:30 PM
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Another thing that people are missing is that the documents that form the government of the USA apply to LIVING, breathing human beings
This makes no sense because it is alive and it's just in early form of development.
they apply ONLY to citizens. If you haven't been born yet, you are not a citizen...
So your saying I can go out and shoot some illegal mexicans without punishment.
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07-20-2006, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Lynus McFeedee
Anything without a brain stem is not human. Up until 4 months, the fetus is not human. You argument makes sense at 4 months...before that, you are simply enslaving women.
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Got any credible science to back that up? I can provide plenty that says that the offspring of two human beings is never anything but a human being.
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07-20-2006, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by PrincessFoamy
Another thing that people are missing is that the documents that form the government of the USA apply to LIVING, breathing human beings, and most of the time - they apply ONLY to citizens. If you haven't been born yet, you are not a citizen...
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Try killing a couple of illegals in front of your local law enforcement. You will learn, very quickly, that in this country, you don't need to be a citizen to enjoy the protection of the law.
By the way, unborns respirate. That means that they use oxygen. Just like you.
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07-20-2006, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Hodgepodge
I appreciate your argument, but the Declaration is not a document of laws. It is a declaration of principles. If we codify the sentiments in the Declaration, it would be law.
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The thing is Hodgepodge, it was the law of the land until the Constitution was written. It was duely ratified by the 2nd continental congress and was not, and has not been suspended. Technically, it remains part of the law of the land even today and the law is just a series of technicalities.
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07-21-2006, 02:34 AM
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The initial subject of the thread is whether or not abortion is constitutional or not. Not whether it is wrong or not. I suppose that it is constitutional because the court says it is at the moment. But it's constitutionality stems from the 9th ammendment and the right to privacy. I challenge anyone here to find the right to privacy in the 9th ammendment.
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07-21-2006, 02:45 AM
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Better yet, throw out the entire decision. Look at how Roe v Wade is worded. It specifies how Congress can prohibit abortion for each trimester. That is legislation and unconstitutional. Besides, since when was the taking of human life ever protected by the constitution?
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07-21-2006, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PaleRider
The thing is Hodgepodge, it was the law of the land until the Constitution was written. It was duely ratified by the 2nd continental congress and was not, and has not been suspended. Technically, it remains part of the law of the land even today and the law is just a series of technicalities.
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Actually, the Articles of Confereration were the supreme law of the land prior to the Constitution's ratification.
And the Declaration specifies no laws. Wanting it to be so does not make it so.
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07-21-2006, 01:54 PM
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Since there was no court under the Articles of Confederation it is hard to say that it was the "supreme" law of the land. Rather, the individual states made their own laws which were not dependant on one another.
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