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11-03-2006, 07:04 AM
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What would make it bad enough for you to want to flip the switch?
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07-22-2008, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by medguy
As a doctor, I feel I have to be against the death penalty. I took at oath to save lives, "above all, do no harm", etc. etc.
I don't know how any doctor can justify killing of any kind, even if the state orders it and sanctions it. I'm not saying doctors are above the law, but I could never be involved in carrying out any procedures associated with a lethal injection or any other method of execution.
So how do we deal with people who commit crimes that are inhuman and unfathomable? I don't know the answer. We each have our beliefs and our feelings about these issues ... look at me ... I'm against the death penalty yet believe that abortion should be legal (within certain medical limitations) ... and it tears me apart to see terminal patients suffering when I know that if I give them anything more for the pain, it'll kill them.
I'll bet you at least one person viewing this forum will call me a hypocrite, but to me, the issues are entirely different. If you want to see my view on abortion, check out that thread. If it doesn't make sense, maybe you can understand how hard I struggle with it and I have to struggle with these issues almost everyday.
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ooh! ooh! me! me!
effin' mealie mouthed hypocrite!
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07-22-2008, 08:29 PM
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Make more crimes punishable with the death penalty.Those crimes would no longer be commited after a few crimminals are given the death sentence and it is carried out.
It is a deterent.
Look at the crimes that have the death sentence already,the are happening less and less,proving the concept of deterence.
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07-22-2008, 09:25 PM
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I'm generally no supporter of death penalty, but I can accept it on one condition - Every case must be treated individually. A simple "x crime is y punishment" doesn't work with execution. If you insist on practicing it, then at least save it for those who are proven guilty with no doubt, and did it because they themselves are inhumane. No, murder doesn't always happen because a person is a raving madman unfit to live in a civilized world. That is exactly why each case must be treated individually.
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07-22-2008, 09:53 PM
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I support the death penalty and believe it is the circus that is allowed in the court room that has to be fixed. We would not have those on death row if not for the corrupt glory seeking sharks in the court room that care not about justice rather the money being payed them or the reputatio they gain by getting someone off even if they or guilty. Or up their resume by convicting someone that is innocent. These days we approach every problem from the top and wonder why it remains broken. Change only happens from the ground up. There is usualy a catalyst and it is that wich you need to address.
For the aspect of 2 or 3 years I say yes because what is life on death row or hell even twelve years. We have constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment. And sitting in a cell for 6 to 12 years I believe falls in the cruel category. Just ask those that have been or are on death row and have been for some time. It starts fucking with their mind and nothing is worse than death than the anticipation of death.
If someone takes a life physicaly or mentaly and emotionaly then they should be taken from society and terminated. The laws and the courts need to be more specific and not allowed to be manipulated so as to not let the guilty go and not to terminate those crimes that do not rate the death penalty.
For example rape definately statutory rape no, Murder yes, involuntary manslaughter no. And this putting people away for life or most or half their life because of circumstantial evidence is bullshit. And putting them to death on the same thing is even worse. Scott peterson looks guilty but did they prove his so hell no. Do I think he is hell yes but it is not what we think it is what can be proved. We need to go back to the thinking that it is better to let 10 criminals go because of lack of evidence than to convict one innocent man. You must bring back a legal system and law enforcement that respects the people so the people will then respect it again.
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07-22-2008, 10:51 PM
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It's very easy to avoid the death penalty. Don't go killing people! It's really that simple despite what some in the psychiatric field will have some of us believe. I also believe it should be expanded to child rapists and maybe even rapists period. DNA has come a long way and should be the deciding factor to determine one's guilt or innocence. I would not support a death penalty case that didn't have DNA co-oboration (sp.) unless of course the suspect confessed to the crime(s).
Quite frankly I am so tired of the mentality that it's the criminal who gets the health-care, the gym, the computer and internet. I have to pay for mine. I am tired of the notion that jail should rehabilitate. I don't buy into it because I don't think that's what jail is for. I've not problems with 12-step meetings or anything of that nature but the self-importance that some of these "therapists" feed to themselves is a scam. Someone is either going to lead a life of honesty or their not. How tired I am of those who criminals who get the benefit of the doubt while the lives of their victims and their loved ones have been altered forever at a minimum or ruined at a maximum.
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07-23-2008, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by steve k
It's very easy to avoid the death penalty. Don't go killing people! It's really that simple despite what some in the psychiatric field will have some of us believe. I also believe it should be expanded to child rapists and maybe even rapists period. DNA has come a long way and should be the deciding factor to determine one's guilt or innocence. I would not support a death penalty case that didn't have DNA co-oboration (sp.) unless of course the suspect confessed to the crime(s).
Quite frankly I am so tired of the mentality that it's the criminal who gets the health-care, the gym, the computer and internet. I have to pay for mine. I am tired of the notion that jail should rehabilitate. I don't buy into it because I don't think that's what jail is for. I've not problems with 12-step meetings or anything of that nature but the self-importance that some of these "therapists" feed to themselves is a scam. Someone is either going to lead a life of honesty or their not. How tired I am of those who criminals who get the benefit of the doubt while the lives of their victims and their loved ones have been altered forever at a minimum or ruined at a maximum.
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well said steve!
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07-23-2008, 06:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve k
It's very easy to avoid the death penalty. Don't go killing people! It's really that simple despite what some in the psychiatric field will have some of us believe. I also believe it should be expanded to child rapists and maybe even rapists period. DNA has come a long way and should be the deciding factor to determine one's guilt or innocence. I would not support a death penalty case that didn't have DNA co-oboration (sp.) unless of course the suspect confessed to the crime(s).
Quite frankly I am so tired of the mentality that it's the criminal who gets the health-care, the gym, the computer and internet. I have to pay for mine. I am tired of the notion that jail should rehabilitate. I don't buy into it because I don't think that's what jail is for. I've not problems with 12-step meetings or anything of that nature but the self-importance that some of these "therapists" feed to themselves is a scam. Someone is either going to lead a life of honesty or their not. How tired I am of those who criminals who get the benefit of the doubt while the lives of their victims and their loved ones have been altered forever at a minimum or ruined at a maximum.
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The amendments are to protect the criminals, not the victims or the taxpayers. I am all for the death penality for child rapists.
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07-23-2008, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by oceanbreeze
The amendments are to protect the criminals, not the victims or the taxpayers. I am all for the death penality for child rapists.
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It's all part of the "feel good" mindset which bases itself more on the platform that 'idealism' can take the place or substitute realism. It's only my theory (that I'm aware of). But, it comes from the notion that just because someone means well that that is just good as there being actual results. It all bounces back to the notion of liberalism, really. The fact that for example they spend billions of inner city programs that haven't worked for 40 years (& counting) doesn't seem to matter. It's the intention that they once had. Now of course it's a chain designed to hold blacks down,but I digress.
Victims get their 15 second news cycle and they get our sympathy for a day or long enough to talk about it either at the water-cooler or the dinner table. Long after we've forgotten about them and moved on to the next tragedy it is they who are still bleeding from the wounds from a society that refuses to protect it's citizens and honor and represent those who have no values, morals or respect for life. We see it daily.
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07-23-2008, 03:10 PM
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All these critisn moral people all for killing. Pathetic. What a bunch of lairs and hypcorites. Nothing more fuckign stupid then people solvign all problems with killing.
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