I agree with you that some people should not be parents. These parents should be held accountable for their daughters actions, and they should also be charged with negligence. I have a sister who belongs to the "my child can do no wrong club" It's sad, because her son is growing up in a very sorry state.

Sounds like we both have the same sister!!

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Four years ago, when I had my youngest, he was born 2 months early and was in the NICU for a little over a month. Of the 34 babies that were in there at that time, 28 of them belonged to children under the age of 18. Very few of these childred came to visit their babies, even thought many of the young women were staying at the Ronald McDonald House at the time. If they would neglect them in the hospital, why wouldn't they neglect them when they get them home. This is a sad look into our future.

Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.

If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.

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"The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many" Spartan King Leonidas

MIL: I love that quote, we have it hanging up in our home.

Freedom Lover: I was old when I had my kids, 27 with the first and 30 with the second. HOWEVER, I have been friends with young mothers and they were responsible if not more so then some of their older counterparts. I think it all has to do how we were raised ourselves.

First and foremost, parents have given up their authority to discipline. Parents want to be their child's friends, which doesn't help the child, the child needs structure and an authority figure, someone they know they can count on, in good times and bad. Children also call the authorities on their parents if they don't get their way in life. It's truly a sad state of affairs.

I also agree, since parents are lacking discpline in the home, it would be nice if the school could pick up the slack. However, school is for learning, not babysitting. The parents have already excerised all their rights to let "Johnny" pass or be allowed back into school if failed or expelled. Little "Johnny" then takes his aggression out on society, he has no boundaries. Again, a said state of affairs.

Real:
Two questions
1) How the hell did she get a knife without her parents knowledge?
We have always had our steak/cutting knives in higher cupboard. Our kids are now 8 and 11 and they are still in a high cupboard. They are allowed to use them, with us present. It is a safety precaution and they respect the danger a knife could present. It's called parental supervision.

2)What is a 7-8 yr old doing riding her bike alone with parent supervision?
Our kids aren't allowed to ride their bike/roam the streets without parental supervision. Unfortunately, there are too many child abductions, which they have watched on tv, there are so many, where the parent even turned their back for a second....remember the mom who was at the playground with her 8 year old and ran into the house to do laundry...8 year was gone. 11 year old walking home alone, abducted. It's constant. Our kids do walk to and from school with a group of 10 friends, they are allowed freedom. But, it is supervised.

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All of the above... The only thing I would change is that I don't think it's just men who are abdicating their responsibilities. One statistic that a lot of people aren't aware of is that once the women's movement gained full swing, the first sign that women were becoming "equal" with men in the sense that the movement was working toward was that the number of women in prisons increased nearly 400 times. In fact more money has been spent on building women's prisons in this country in the past ten years than on men's prisons in order to keep up with the demand for more facilities.

With all the increased number of women in prison who is raising their children? The men these prison bound women associated with before going to prison were probably not the stay at home daddy kinda guys, so a good many of them are ending up in the government parenting system.

"It takes a village to raise a child" African proverb.

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I am glad to know that you actually are raising your kids, not that I ever thought differently. My kids (Boy 8, girl 5) also know where the knifes are, they also know the punishment for messing with them with out our supervision, besides they are smarter than to want to play with knives.
Also my kids do not even ride in the street in front of our house without an adult watching, hell they are not even allowed to play in the front yard without supervision.
Well anyway thank you for actually doing what it takes to raise your kids right.

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Sorry lady, this is one thing we may disagree on. I think the day that Hillary quoted that was a sad day in America because she allowed the essense of the message to be totally distorted.

In a close community such as an African village everyone knows everyone else and everyone cares about everyone else. It's a matter of survival for the village to take an interest in everyone. So if a child does something wrong there is always someone who is willing to take the child aside or at the least take him/her home where mom or dad will actually deal with the situation. This was the kind of community I grew up in. Everyone knew my parents and my siblings and I got by with absolutely NOTHING. It's also the atmosphere my children were brought up in.

But when Hillary quoted that verse here, every parent out there in every big city and small town who was tired of being a parent understood this high profile woman tell them that they could turn their responsibility over to the village. Now the village is being raped and plundered and no one seems to understand why. The reason is that there is no one in the village who cares about all the children that have been dumped on them, everyone just wants rid of the little monsters and they know that dragging them back home to mom or dad won't do anything because they don't want the responsibility either.

Hi P.A. welcome to the forum and glad you decided to finally post.