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Old 06-27-2008, 01:11 AM
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High court slashes Exxon Valdez oil spill damages | csmonitor.com


This is a little wrist tap for Exxon (which BTW the damage award equals about 4 days of profits) in one of the worst environmental disasters at the hands of a drunken Exxon driver.

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Old 06-27-2008, 01:31 AM
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Though it's been more than 18 years since the spill, a federal study earlier this year concluded that oil has persisted below the surface of exposed shores and that the remaining oil is declining by only about 4 percent a year. Particularly persistent is the thick, emulsified goo known as "oil mousse."

"Our results indicate that the remaining subsurface oil may persist for decades with little change," researchers from the National Marine Fisheries Service and other agencies concluded in a report published in February. "Such persistence can pose a contact hazard to inter-tidally foraging sea otters, sea ducks, and shorebirds, create a chronic source of low-level contamination, discourage subsistence in a region where use is heavy, and degrade the wilderness character of protected lands."

Last year, the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council, which oversees ecosystem recovery in Prince William Sound, painted a mixed picture.

Some species, including bald eagles, harbor seals, and river otters, have recovered to prespill levels. But others – killer whales, sea otters, mussels, and clams among them – have not fully recovered. Pacific herring, which are commercially valuable as well as being a source of food to marine mammals, birds, invertebrates, and other fish, appear not to be recovering, and at one point the fishery had collapsed with only 25 percent of the expected adults returning to spawn, according to the oil spill trustee council.

ExxonMobil Corp. disputes claims by biologists, fishermen, and others that the damaging effects continue, including drop-offs in herring and some salmon runs. On its website, ExxonMobil asserts that "hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific studies conducted by researchers from major independent scientific laboratories and academic institutions" have proved that "the environment in Prince William Sound is healthy, robust and thriving."
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This decision has proven the benefits of the endless appeal process for mega corporations.
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This decision has proven the benefits of the endless appeal process for mega corporations.
What would you like to see happen Sam? Seriously, what would be the right outcome as far as you are concerned?
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What would you like to see happen Sam? Seriously, what would be the right outcome as far as you are concerned?
I don't know, but how about the people harmed by the malfeasance of a corporation be compensated for their losses?
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I don't know, but how about the people harmed by the malfeasance of a corporation be compensated for their losses?
That would be a good start, but the SC reducing the punitive damages to a few days profits for Exxon after sheer negligence and creating one of the world's largest environmental disasters will not motivate Exxon to carefully consider being a steward of the regions they develop as oil fields. What the Supreme Court did was, essentially, the crowning moment for the greedy age of corporate polluters with Exxon in the lead.

Bottom line after years of appeals until they manage to have essentially driven their own corporatist policy—written their own corporatist policy, from the bench of the Supreme Court. They are the lawmakers,they are the new legislature. They are quickly lobbying for control of our coastlines--without any promise of accountability to the citizens or relief to Americans at the pump. That does not even take into account what happens when ecosystems are destroyed and the eventual impact on human health occurs that creeps in slowly over decades. 500 million in punitive damages...c'mon.
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Anchorage, Alaska - Two decades after the Exxon Valdez supertanker veered off course, slammed into a reef in Prince William Sound, and created the nation's worst oil spill, some Alaskans say they've been hit by another disaster – a legal one.

A US Supreme Court ruling Wednesday trimmed punitive damages for the 1989 catastrophe by at least 80 percent. So, instead of the $2.5 billion that some 32,000 plaintiffs had been awarded, the court decided the damages should equal no more than the $507.5 million already paid in compensation to private plaintiffs. Reaction in Alaska was fast and furious.

"Tragic," said Gov. Sarah Palin.

"Adds insult to injury," said Alaska's congressional delegation in a statement.

"A slap on the wrist" for Exxon, said Tim Joyce, mayor of the fishing hub of Cordova, which was at the center of the disaster.

Not long ago, some Alaskans worried that the fishing hub would sprout "spillionaires" – ordinary people suddenly rich from lump-sum Exxon payouts. Now in Cordova, there is talk of giving up homes, fishing permits, and the town itself, said Riki Ott, a local fisherman, scientist, and environmentalist. "There are some people, they look like they've been shellshocked."

Some residents had already pledged anticipated punitive payments to settle debts. "We didn't spill the oil, you know, and we're the ones being injured by this. Again," said Ms. Ott, who spent much of Wednesday painting protest signs with slogans like: "Guilty Until Proven Wealthy."

Anyone looking to a big punitive award as a source of more compensation had misplaced hopes, said ExxonMobil spokesman Tony Cudmore. "This case was about punishment and whether further punishment was warranted. It was not about compensatory damages."

The company says that after spending $3.4 billion on cleanup, settlements with the Alaskan and US governments and other groups, fines, and various types of compensation, it needed no more punishment. Legitimate claims for compensation were handled swiftly and fairly, Mr. Cudmore said. "Most people who sought compensation were compensated within a year of the spill, and the court recognized that."

The court's majority found that Exxon had acted without "intentional or malicious conduct," and a 1-to-1 ratio of punitive to compensatory damages "is a fair upper limit in such maritime cases," according to the decision penned by Justice David Souter.

Plaintiffs said the court failed to take into account the damages that never were compensated in the first place, due to the quirks of maritime law and the long years it took for environmental impacts to manifest themselves.

For example, the collapse of Prince William Sound's herring population became evident only years after the spill, plaintiffs say. Cordova fisherman and community leader R.J. Kopchak calculated that the area lost $126 million through 2005 because of canceled harvests. He lost about $500,000 in earnings, he said, not to mention his now useless $18,000 worth of herring-fishing equipment that sits under a moss-covered tarp.

Also uncompensated were the lost millions of dollars of wealth held in fishing permits. That wealth vanished when values plunged to as low as 10 percent of prespill levels. Maritime law allowed compensation only when permits were sold at losses. "What we all should have done is sell each other our permits so that we would have had realized losses," Ott says.

Alaskan natives who couldn't gather fish, game, and meat from oiled waters and beaches got a $20 million settlement, the estimated cost of replacing wild foods with store-bought substitutes, not the $160 million that plaintiff economists believed reflected true cultural damages, said Lloyd Miller, an attorney for the plaintiffs.

ExxonMobil has argued that Prince William Sound recovered long ago from the spill, and that any ecological changes – including the herring collapse – are due to other factors.

For some, the spill's impact goes beyond dollars.

"The biggest thing that hurt the most that I lost were the dreams and goals that I had," said local fisherman and artist Mike Webber, sitting on a Cordova dock a month before the Supreme Court ruling.

Mr. Webber drew on his Tlingit Indian heritage last year to carve a "shame pole" ridiculing ExxonMobil's unpaid debts. "I've been wanting to do a healing pole, [but] I haven't found out anything to put on the pole to tell that we've healed," he said.

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Excellent , excellent posts Sam and Patriot.

Now compond this corporate greed thousands of times around this world.

Oil companies went into to small third world nations without environmental laws and dumped their waste in streams and on the ground . Now the local population is dying in ever increasing cancer outbreaks at young ages and medical science has traced this back to the poisoning of their waters by the oil companies. To add insult to injury a lot of the waste was dumped on land like hog manure, now that land mostly inhabited by peasants will not produce adequate or in some cases no food crops.

The locals didn't know all that oil sludge being spread out was going to kill them off in 2 decades. Had they known they would have tried to beat the oil companies off with sticks if need be. But even if they had the US would have just sent in our military to teach those peasants what happens when you mess with a American government sponsored corporation.

And people are clueless enough to ask why the world hates America?

One sentence can sum that up.

Due to our full sponsorship of corporate greed around the world we have killed millions of innocent people.
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Excellent , excellent posts Sam and Patriot.

Now compond this corporate greed thousands of times around this world.

Oil companies went into to small third world nations without environmental laws and dumped their waste in streams and on the ground . Now the local population is dying in ever increasing cancer outbreaks at young ages and medical science has traced this back to the poisoning of their waters by the oil companies. To add insult to injury a lot of the waste was dumped on land like hog manure, now that land mostly inhabited by peasants will not produce adequate or in some cases no food crops.

The locals didn't know all that oil sludge being spread out was going to kill them off in 2 decades. Had they known they would have tried to beat the oil companies off with sticks if need be. But even if they had the US would have just sent in our military to teach those peasants what happens when you mess with a American government sponsored corporation.

And people are clueless enough to ask why the world hates America?

One sentence can sum that up.

Due to our full sponsorship of corporate greed around the world we have killed millions of innocent people.
Ha !I knew smart ass and Wvpeach were the same person.
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