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06-29-2008, 04:55 PM
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Is there any such thing as life in prison sentence? Manson got commuted to life in prison from the death penalty, and he's been up for parole quite a bit. Life in prison without the possibility of parole could change in any given year. Why take the chance?
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They're not ever going to let Manson out of prison. There is definitely such a thing as life without parole. They should use that sentence more frequently, imo.
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06-29-2008, 07:02 PM
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They're not ever going to let Manson out of prison. There is definitely such a thing as life without parole. They should use that sentence more frequently, imo.
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You may be right about Manson, although just a few years ago he had quite the cult following again. However, they are now inspecting his compounds grounds again, looking for more of his victims. BUT, there is always a chance that someone like Manson could get paroled. Manson acts crazy, so he stays behind bars. All it takes is acting repentant, no one to object (lets face it, after 20 or so years, some people do quite opposing) and a sympethic/apathetic parole board.
There are just certain crimes that should be met with the ultimate. These people will never have any redeeming qualities, will never rehabilitate, will never contribute anything to their own life or society.
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07-01-2008, 03:00 AM
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I'm against the death penalty in theory and intellectually, but I don't shed any tears when someone who has seriously harmed others is killed.
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07-02-2008, 10:01 AM
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Has anyone considered the child in this? Does a young child need to bear the burden of knowing that because of something that happened to them a person was going to be put to death? Wouldn't that freek a lot of kids out?
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The child's personal hell would be over, never have to wonder where "Uncle Tim" is or if he's abusing other kids when he's executed. It's a repetitive nasty cycle. Nip it in the bud.
Can you people comprehend that some people are born evil? There's not always some sad candy apple a$$ story to justify their behavior. As freedom pointed out, Manson is a perfect example.
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07-02-2008, 11:59 AM
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The child's personal hell would be over, never have to wonder where "Uncle Tim" is or if he's abusing other kids when he's executed. It's a repetitive nasty cycle. Nip it in the bud.
Can you people comprehend that some people are born evil? There's not always some sad candy apple a$$ story to justify their behavior. As freedom pointed out, Manson is a perfect example.
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if someone is in jail they aren't going to abuse other kids.
there is rarely a need to ever execute someone. we have prisons, we have high security. we could even decrease prison violence if we tightened our procedures.
almost every country in the world has gotten rid of the death pentaly. its barbaric
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07-02-2008, 02:03 PM
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if someone is in jail they aren't going to abuse other kids.
there is rarely a need to ever execute someone. we have prisons, we have high security. we could even decrease prison violence if we tightened our procedures.
almost every country in the world has gotten rid of the death pentaly. its barbaric
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It's more barbaric to steal a child's innocence. 
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07-02-2008, 02:57 PM
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They're not ever going to let Manson out of prison. There is definitely such a thing as life without parole. They should use that sentence more frequently, imo.
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what gives them the right to live behind bars the rest of their lives? murderers dont give their victims the right to live. so why shouldnt they have those same nonrights that they themselves have mandated? if you rape, you should be raped too. if you raped and murdered, you should be raped to death. if you murder, you should be murdered too. why should we pay 45 k a year to detain them? just ice them. im tired of this social welfare for the criminaly deranged. i want my money to support things i hold value for. the pot needs to be divided. we need to pass a law, that when you pay your federal taxes, you can mandate where they go. for what agency to use. i want 25% to go to the military. 25% for the local police department. 25% for higher education for military personel, and 25% for the increase of our strategic oil reserves.
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07-02-2008, 08:46 PM
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I'm glad they made this decision, and I wish they'd just abolish the whole thing. Think about it:
1) Someone who has already "crossed the line" won't be likely to fear the death penalty, which means it won't stop them from doing what they want to do. This defeats the purpose of punishment, as it's meant to discourage, not only punish.
2) Meanwhile, decades or even lifetime in jail may sound like the better option for someone innocent, but will be a pain for those who are actually guilty. My point is that to someone who has commited such a serious crime that they are considered for death penalty, rotting in jail will be the worst of the two.
3) While we're on the topic of innocent people, if someone is found to be innocent, they can be let out of jail. It's not quite as simple with death penalty.
4) On the off-chance that a criminal improves drastically, and clearly won't be a harm to anyone anymore, there's always the possibility to let them go. No reason to continue punishing someone who has learnt their lesson.
Death penalty is the "just get it over with so we don't have to care about it anymore" option.
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07-02-2008, 09:20 PM
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I don't like the decision but I agree with it being shot down THIS TIME. The law was to wide open and could cause people of statutory rape being put to death etc.. Not to worry though they are already reworking the law as to make it more consise and constitutional. Let me tell you Loa you can think what you want but if you want life in prison for all these scumbags then you and your like pay for it. Which leads to my next question all those apposed totaly to the death penalty, would you agree to bear the finacial cost for lifers?
For those who believe this is not a bad enough crime or they did there time or life in prison is a good enough punishment. Well let me ask you is it right that we pay so these guys can live without responsabilities and get three free meals a day they do adjust to prison life. Now all that time the victom is never the same and many many end up never living anything close to resembleing a normal life. As far as telling little sussie or what ever give me a fucken brake you don't have to tell her he was put to death. All you have to do is tell her the truth that he was a bad person and has been punished and will never hurt her or anyone else again. And it does deter crime you let enough of these fucks be put to death and just see how the number of molestations go down.
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07-02-2008, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jebe
what gives them the right to live behind bars the rest of their lives? murderers dont give their victims the right to live. so why shouldnt they have those same nonrights that they themselves have mandated? if you rape, you should be raped too. if you raped and murdered, you should be raped to death. if you murder, you should be murdered too. why should we pay 45 k a year to detain them? just ice them. im tired of this social welfare for the criminaly deranged. i want my money to support things i hold value for. the pot needs to be divided. we need to pass a law, that when you pay your federal taxes, you can mandate where they go. for what agency to use. i want 25% to go to the military. 25% for the local police department. 25% for higher education for military personel, and 25% for the increase of our strategic oil reserves.
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Yo Jebes...
You want 25% of yer refund Federal refund check to go to the local police dept?
Why tell us?
Just send it in, poseur.
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