Liberals "penumbras and emanations"

danielpalos · #11 (**permalink**) 05-28-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689

First it was based on an overturned decision.

That in and of itself is enough to say it is wrongly decided.

Decisions are overturned in Constitutional law as a matter of course whenever our environment in Nature changes our understanding of Nurture.

fenianforever1689 · #12 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Decisions are overturned in Constitutional law as a matter of course whenever our environment in Nature changes our understanding of Nurture.

That is convenient. Of course asshole liberals will whine about stare decisis when Roe is overturned.

TakuanSoho · #13 (**permalink**) 05-30-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Why does anyone think Roe v Wade was decided wrongly?

No one has suggested that abortion be required in cases where there is any religious objection.

Privacy is not enshrined in the Constitution, so their logic was faulty.

Furthermore, the question is one of whether life begins at conception or not, if it does, then privacy would not be an excuse any more than I can kill someone in my house and declare it a private issue.

In short the USSC wanted to rule a certain way and used tortured logic to get to the conclusion. What they should have done is declare that legally life begins at birth (which it is in all other federal matters like taxes), and therefore abortion is fine.

fenianforever1689 · #14 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008, 10:00 PM

There is no privacy in the constitution, that is why there are penumbras and emanations.

NAT · #15 (**permalink**) 05-31-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689

....I live in California and there are large parts of the states where abortion is defacto illegal. Same in South Dakota.

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Source please.

mulp · #16 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NAT

Source please.

Just look for the places where abortions can be performed.

In a dozen states at least, doctors who are identified as performing abortions are first threatened, harrassed, and then shot fired at their home, car, or them. It seems to matter not who gets killed, and in one of the last cases where the identity of the doctor was determined, shots were fired into the house with her child at risk of being killed.

The doctors who can afford to go to those states live someplace far away, fly in on secret private planes wearing body armor, transfer to SUVs with blackout windows and guards, then move from the car to the clinic, all without their being seen.

The most determined of the pro-life people are really determined christian-crusaders --- if they focused their efforts on Osama, he'd be long ago dead.

The entire state of Mississippi is down to one clinic where abortions can be done, the doctor lives several states away, and is only able to be there a few days a week, and state law requires two meetings with the doctor 48 hours apart. With most of the people wanting an abortion being poor working women, getting the abortion means losing her job. So, her only option is to get pregnant and then go on welfare, even if married. Her husband will leave her, maybe go into prison, so she and the child gets more aid.

The pro-life people really value human life.

mulp · #17 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 02:36 AM

A sampling

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- December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year.
- September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.[14]
- April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device.[15]
- May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[16]
- December 6, 2007: Two unidentified persons set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Albuquerque, New Mexico.[17]

Abortion-related violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cookie Parker · #18 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mulp

Just look for the places where abortions can be performed.

In a dozen states at least, doctors who are identified as performing abortions are first threatened, harrassed, and then shot fired at their home, car, or them. It seems to matter not who gets killed, and in one of the last cases where the identity of the doctor was determined, shots were fired into the house with her child at risk of being killed.

The doctors who can afford to go to those states live someplace far away, fly in on secret private planes wearing body armor, transfer to SUVs with blackout windows and guards, then move from the car to the clinic, all without their being seen.

The most determined of the pro-life people are really determined christian-crusaders --- if they focused their efforts on Osama, he'd be long ago dead.

The entire state of Mississippi is down to one clinic where abortions can be done, the doctor lives several states away, and is only able to be there a few days a week, and state law requires two meetings with the doctor 48 hours apart. With most of the people wanting an abortion being poor working women, getting the abortion means losing her job. So, her only option is to get pregnant and then go on welfare, even if married. Her husband will leave her, maybe go into prison, so she and the child gets more aid.

The pro-life people really value human life.

Scary isn't it?

Cookie Parker · #19 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689

There is no privacy in the constitution, that is why there are penumbras and emanations.

Here you go.....

Roe v. Wade

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5. It is unnecessary to decide the injunctive relief issue, since the Texas authorities will doubtless fully recognize the Court's ruling [p115] that the Texas criminal abortion statutes are unconstitutional. P. 166.

and here...

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Opinions: Delivered by Justice Blackmun, joined by Chief Justice Burger and Justices Douglas, Brennan, Stewart, Marshall and Powell. Burger, Douglas, Stewart, also authored concurring opinions. There were two dissenting opinions by Justices Rehnquist and White. (The opinions of Burger, Douglas and White are actually found in Roe's companion case Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179.)

Holding: The Constitutional right to personal privacy, the roots of which are found in the 4th, 5th, 9th and 14th Amendments, is "broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy." The right to abortion, however, is not absolute. At some point, a "compelling state interest" in protecting the health of the woman and the potentiality of human life develops which permits the state to protect fetal life even to the point of proscribing all non-therapudic abortions. To balance the competing interests of the woman and the state, the Court set up the following timetable:

* First Trimester: The state has no "compelling interest" in protecting the health of the woman because "abortion in early pregnancy, although not without its risks, is relatively safe." The state also has no "compelling interest" in protecting the potentiality of human life because "the compelling point is at viability." Therefore, the state may not regulate abortion at all except to require that the procedure be preformed by a physician.

Second Trimester: Since "the risk to the woman increases as her pregnancy continues," the state, in promoting its interest in protecting the health of the woman "may regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health." Examples of permissible state regulation are requirements as to the qualifications of the person performing the abortion or the licensure of the abortion facility.
* Third Trimester: Since the fetus has the capability of "meaningful life" outside the pregnant woman's womb at "about 28 weeks, but as early as 24 weeks," the state's interest in protecting potential life becomes "compelling" at this point of "viability." Therefore, the state, if it chooses, may regulate and even proscribe abortion except where it is necessary for the preservation of the life or health of the woman.

mulp · #20 (**permalink**) 06-01-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689

There is no privacy in the constitution, that is why there are penumbras and emanations.

So we should have the right to monitor your sex life to insure you perform your sexual duties within the framework defined by Catholic priests and the likes of Rev Fawell and President Clinton?