Ruby Ridge and the Branch Davidians

IHNR · #**121** (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

What does a false quote by Nazi prove?

Umm . . . . yeah, I already knew this, you evidently didn't.

So, what made the agents "trigger happy"? You claimed it was because an agent got killed, but you see, this didn't happen until AFTER the agents got, how did you put it again . . . . oh yeah . . . . "trigger happy."

Are you now claiming that Sammy Weaver took the first shots? Please do Nazi, I really want you to claim this.

Hey dom... do what you alway do when you fuck up, go out to Wikipedia and get a story (which is problably doctor) to explain what happened on that ridge...

You said in your stupid PM that there wasn't an agent killed... you said "I made it up" now you are trying to redirect from your own stupidity.

Just live with it...

Dom1 · #**122** (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 12:57 PM

Hey Nazi, what made the agents "trigger happy"?

Dom1 · #**123** (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IHNR

Hey dom... do what you alway do when you fuck up, go out to Wikipedia and get a story (which is problably doctor) to explain what happened on that ridge...

You said in your stupid PM that there wasn't an agent killed... you said "I made it up" now you are trying to redirect from your own stupidity.

Just live with it...

I asked you who was killed, so you are wrong there. Or maybe you are just intentionally lying again.

I asked you that to get you to admit that an agent was NOT killed before the shooting started, which made you debunk your own "trigger happy" argument justifying the agents shooting. You were wrong, as usual.

Now, tell me what made the agents "trigger happy." First you said it was because of a dead agent, but now you admit that the agent was NOT killed before the agents began shooting, so you have to scramble to come up with a new reason. I eagerly await your next attempt.

IHNR · #**124** (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pipes

IHNR wasn't happy enough with spouting his trash in the other thread and having it corrected , so he thought he'd try again in this thread. The following is an exchange from that thread.

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
He could have stopped it at the very beginning... he is in the wrong at point A... everything thing that followed "right or wrong" was his doing.

Pipes response;
Once again , you tools demand correction. The Waco argument being refuted gives way to the stupid , thoughtless assertions and conclusions regarding Ruby Ridge.

Randy Weaver was a self described separatist (and former Army Green Beret. He moved to Idaho to be just that - separate. Because of the circles he moved in , he was targeted by the feds. First he was befriended by informants , and after several LEGAL interactions , was COAXED into selling a sawed off shotgun to the informant that was alledged to be 1/4" too short to be considered legal. Weavers position was that he in fact did NOT provide the weapon illegally , but that it was made illegal by the informant or feds AFTER delivery by merely grinding an additional 1/4"off.

Once again , can you already see how ridiculous this whole tragedy is? A quarter of a fucking inch - and people are dead.

After the initial arrest , the feds now had their leverage to attempt to turn Weaver into an inside informant. They wanted him to infiltrate radical groups which he had contact with (KKK & militant militia types) and provide information. When Weaver declined, the feds pressured. That not working , they had to increase pressure.

Unexplainedly , a hearing date related to the weapons charge was changed to an earlier date , and Weaver didn't show. He claimed never to have been notified. No one ever demonstrated that he WAS notified. Now a nother warrant for failure to appear was issued , and the feds began surveiling him to see if they could catch anything else to use against him.

When marshals were poking around his property (not serving any warrant) , the family dog , with 14 year old Sammy Weaver , and friend Kevin Harris not too far behind , came across the agents and began barking wildly. Sammy and Kevin ran toward the dogs barks (as one might do). The agents , knowing the dog was giving them away , SHOT IT.

Almost immediately , Sammy , with Kevin right behind , came upon them. Some INTRUDER had just SHOT HIS DOG. Both he and Kevin were armed , as they almost always were when out in the woods , and Sammy shot at the killers of his dog. There was a firefight , and one of the marshals and Sammy (shot in the back) were killed. There were numerous shell casings found at the marshals position.

Kevin and Randy returned to the site to retrieve Sammy's body , which they placed in an out building near the cabin.

Overnight , snipers took up positions (Lon Horiuchi). They had been given ILLEGAL "SHOOT TO KILL" orders by superiors. When Randy and Harris left the Cabin to go visit Sammy's body , Horiuchi shot Weaver (no warning , just pow!) He and Harris ran back to the cabin. Vickie Weaver was standing holding the door open (with her baby in her arms) , yelling for the men to get inside. Harris was hit. Vickie Weavers HEAD WAS BLOWN OFF by Horiuchi-Violating his already illegal license to kill , by shooting an unarmed mother.

For the remainder of the siege , feds used psy-ops (including the taunt "...we had pancakes for breakfast today , what did you make Mrs.Weaver ?") , alternating with negotiation. Weaver surrendered after 11 days.

After a trial . Harris was found NOT GUILTY on all charges , and Weaver was only found guilty of the original "failure to appear" and bail violation.

They went on to sue the gov. and settled out of court for $3 mil+.

I love that you get your information from I_HATE_THE_FEDERAL_GOV.net and your Christian Identity websites, but what ever the case it ALL START WITH WEAVER...

Why did he have a weapons charge? Can you expain that, by the way I only except non-biased data so if you don't have any proof then admit it....

But tell me why Weaver had that weapon's charge.... Start at point A and work our way through it.

By the way, the only reget about that incident is that they didn't fucking put one your BELOVED FIREARMS PROTECT BY THE 2AMENDMENTS and BLOW WEAVER"S FUCKING BRAINS OUT.

pipes · #**125** (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by IHNR

I'm laughing so loud at you dommy... can you hear it? I think I'm going tear I'm laughing so fucking hard!!!!

I'm still waiting for the definition of PRO-AMERICAN from either you or pipes.

My posts speak for themselves - AS DO YOURS.

Anybody that has read them , and can think , knows my definition of being pro-American does NOT include the psycological torture of women and children , or of gestapo tactics to force submission , or of the gov't justifying actions because of religion or cult , or of using tactics on it's own citizens that are banned from use in international warfare , or of the gov't going to any lengths to then shield itself from such misbahavior.

Whereas anybody that has read YOUR posts , can conlude that you DO believe in torture of women and children , that you ARE for gestapo tactics (as long as they're YOUR kind of gestapo) , that the gov't SHOULD be able to kill based on reigious beliefs , and that citizens SHOULD be subjected to treatment WORSE than what we would do to enemy combatants , and that the gov't is JUSTIFIED in limiting any exposure to it's own wrongdoing.

THAT pretty well sums it up.

Dom1 · #**126** (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IHNR

I love that you get your information from I_HATE_THE_FEDERAL_GOV.net and your Christian Identity websites, but what ever the case it ALL START WITH WEAVER...

Why did he have a weapons charge? Can you expain that, by the way I only except non-biased data so if you don't have any proof then admit it....

But tell me why Weaver had that weapon's charge.... Start at point A and work our way through it.

By the way, the only reget about that incident is that they didn't fucking put one your BELOVED FIREARMS PROTECT BY THE 2AMENDMENTS and BLOW WEAVER"S FUCKING BRAINS OUT.

What happened with that weapons charge?

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Hey Nazi, what made the agents "trigger happy"?

Well? Got anything?

pipes · #**127** (**permalink**) 03-26-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IHNR

I love that you get your information from I_HATE_THE_FEDERAL_GOV.net and your Christian Identity websites, but what ever the case it ALL START WITH WEAVER...

Why did he have a weapons charge? Can you expain that, by the way I only except non-biased data so if you don't have any proof then admit it....

But tell me why Weaver had that weapon's charge.... Start at point A and work our way through it.

By the way, the only reget about that incident is that they didn't fucking put one your BELOVED FIREARMS PROTECT BY THE 2AMENDMENTS and BLOW WEAVER"S FUCKING BRAINS OUT.

Unlike most of you bloodthirsty degenerates , I actually PAID ATTENTION ,and applied critical thinking skills to the information available BOTH during and after these events.

I have laid out the progression of events , you cannot disprove them with anything other than hate-filled slurs and an occasional untruth thrown in for good measure.

No good comes from arguing with you - you are a rotting soul without any redeeming qualities as far as I have seen. Anyone having read this far knows your position is without merit. I will NOT waste anymore time arguing with the likes of you.

Karma's a bitch , aint it?

Dr_Zoidberg · #**128** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pipes

Unlike most of you bloodthirsty degenerates , I actually PAID ATTENTION ,and applied critical thinking skills to the information available BOTH during and after these events.

I have laid out the progression of events , you cannot disprove them with anything other than hate-filled slurs and an occasional untruth thrown in for good measure.

No good comes from arguing with you - you are a rotting soul without any redeeming qualities as far as I have seen. Anyone having read this far knows your position is without merit. I will NOT waste anymore time arguing with the likes of you.

Karma's a bitch , aint it?

The "progression of events" you have laid-out are merely a regurgitation of what you saw on FOX news................karma that, sucker

noneof yourbusiness · #**129** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 03:56 AM

So the tolernat left just get glowing red eyes cause a Bible was invovled and shows they same contempt for human life they claim to be fighting against.

satv365 · #**130** (**permalink**) 03-27-2008, 04:41 AM

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Why did he have a weapons charge? Can you expain that, by the way I only except non-biased data so if you don't have any proof then admit it....

Because an undercover Federal Agent offered to buy guns from him. Which he ultimately decided not to do. His weapons charges where dropped, I believe.

Besides, I think he sold him some sawed off shotguns. Which he actually supplied full length shotguns. If there is no evidence, than the Federal Pigs where up to something...

I really don't know what the fucking argument is. The Federal pigs shot and killed a mother while holding her baby. They offered no chance of surrender, they did not take advice from local law enforcement who knew Weaver. They where trigger happy, and hell bent on making an example out of weaver.

Evidence points to Agents killing Weaver's son in cold blood, as well.

You arbitrarily argue this because you do not like the 2nd Amendment. You think anyone who defends themselves with a gun should automatically be assumed guilty, even if that self defense if from teh Government.

I don't care about Weaver's political beliefs. The Government overstepped it's boundaries and killed the family of a man who was hurting nobody, living how he wanted in the woods.

The question you have to ask yourself is. Honestly, does the Government have the option to not cause backlash when they have a shoot first mentality? Which was the case here regarding Ruby Ridge...