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Old 10-29-2007, 05:43 PM
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No a crime isn't just another crime. The Law has always had "special circumstances" laws on the books. It's the only way to keep lowlifes like pedophiles in prison, for example.

Want a pedophile to get out and rape your child?

There's reasons for these laws.
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:00 PM
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No a crime isn't just another crime. The Law has always had "special circumstances" laws on the books. It's the only way to keep lowlifes like pedophiles in prison, for example.

Want a pedophile to get out and rape your child?

There's reasons for these laws.
Bad example, pedophiles get out of prison every day. Just look at the sex offender registry.

A rape is a rape, period. I would not feel any differently about a rapist who assaulted my 8 year old daughter, than I would about one who assaulted my 30 year old daughter.

Special circumstances still apply, if you use a weapon in the commission of a crime, or you if you happen to shoot a police officer, or kill someone during a robbery, but those are not always tagged "hate crimes", but they could be. "Hate crime" is just an arbitrary tag that may, or may not be applied, depending on how the prosecutor feels on that particular day.
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:17 PM
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A rape is a rape, period. I would not feel any differently about a rapist who assaulted my 8 year old daughter, than I would about one who assaulted my 30 year old daughter.
Sick.

A 30 year-old can protect herself, but a 8 year-old can't. And to proclaim that each is equally protected, is ignorant at least, criminal in itself at worse.

There will ALWAYS be "special circumstances" laws. ALWAYS. Get used to them, as you'll sure will if something awful happens to you or your family.

And don't give me this BS that you'd regard a rape as a rape. You would want the bastard in prison for life or dead if you were raped.
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Old 10-29-2007, 06:47 PM
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Sick.

A 30 year-old can protect herself, but a 8 year-old can't. And to proclaim that each is equally protected, is ignorant at least, criminal in itself at worse.

There will ALWAYS be "special circumstances" laws. ALWAYS. Get used to them, as you'll sure will if something awful happens to you or your family.

And don't give me this BS that you'd regard a rape as a rape. You would want the bastard in prison for life or dead if you were raped.
I didn't say I would not want him dead for attacking my family member. I said the age of my family member would not change my feeling.

Why are you trying to turn this away from "hate crimes"? I have not yet seen, or heard of a rapist being charged with a "hate crime", nor a pedophile, for that matter. And the tag "hate crime" is all I'm talking about. Its bull shit, because it can be applied to any crime a prosecutor wants to apply it to. Its ARBITRARY, and BULL SHIT, you can not change that, special circumstances are very specific and not applied because of touchy feely, political correctness.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:11 AM
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so why call it a hate crime? Shell get more of a sentence because of the label of "hate crime" then for the underlying legal issue associated with it.

Hate Crimes are hypocritical of the legal system. In no other instance to you prosecute motivation than the crime itself.


What is a misdemeanor is now a serious case. Go figure, collectivist ideals at work here.
True, but you missed the point. Hate, like sexual tendencies towards children, is something that very few people can ever truly change. This does raise the sentence, as it should. She said she would like to tie the other woman's kids to the fence. She said remember 9/11. those in that context indicate extreme racism. Like wise prosecuting Muslims who speak in the same manner should be done under hate crimes.
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:37 AM
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HAte crime is racism in of istelf. Anything that does ANYTHING good or bad to distinguish race is a step away from Equality. These laws are rubbish and have no place here.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:32 AM
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This is true None, but in this nation we do see race, creed, color, sexual orientation. It is a fact of life that even my utopian ass can't just dismiss. But if this nation is based on ideas of equality then whereas a murder is bad because it was unlawfully taking a life, a murder like the one in Jasper, Texas is worse. The reason is simple. If one guy kills another guy over a chick then that one man and his family have been victimized, but if a man kills another man because he is black, or Muslim, then that man not only victimized the man and his family, he has committed a terrorist act in order to scare a whole race, or creed. The man in the former example may not pose a threat to any other man except those who sleep with his chick. The man in the latter poses a threat to every individual in the race, or creed, or sexual orientation he or she may represent.

Does that make sense?
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:38 AM
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Regardless there is no steps to equality if the excuses are that well its a fact of life. Its only enabling racism.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:54 AM
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no its not. Enabling racism would be to say that a murder for revenge is equal to murder for terrorism. Recognizing and punishing racists is a great step in the fight to beat it. Education is always the premier, but to punish blatant racism more stringently than regular crime, I believe, is good.

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Old 11-05-2007, 06:15 AM
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Ot os. making any distinction for race is helping racism.You cant force people to think another way. If you add time to a crime just cause some lawyer can twist motive or intent to racism or even legitimtly do it. Youll only anger more people who will feel unfair treatment is given to a different race. What about victoms of murder and rape where race wasnt an issue. Where there assaliants get less time or have a way to plea bargain for less time that a race based crime wouldnt get. There rape or death is worth less... No way. No concideration for any color in any cricumstance is the only way.
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