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Old 09-10-2007, 11:10 AM
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CrimProf Blog: Federal Judge Halts Enforcement of Jessica's Law Based on Constitutionality
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SexCrimeDefender: Maine Legislature Debates "Jessica's Law"

Here are just a few of the more egregious examples:
In Rhode Island, 18-year-old Josh Maciorski was convicted of having sex with a 13-year-old girl, but sentenced to probation. Two years later he molested a 14-year-old girl and served just one year. Then, when he got out, Maciorski raped a 16-year-old girl. His sentence after this third strike - an unbelievable three years in prison.
In Missouri, 19-year old Darrell Jackson pleaded guilty to repeatedly sexually abusing a little girl, beginning she was just eight. But when Jackson came up for sentencing, a soft judge gave him four months in prison and five years probation.
In Minnesota, Joseph Duncan stood in front of a judge, accused of molesting a young boy. Despite the fact that Duncan had previously served 16 years for raping another young boy at gunpoint, the judge released him on just $15,000 bail. Duncan promptly skipped bail and headed for Idaho, where he allegedly kidnapped, raped, and killed a 9-year old boy, molested his sister, and killed their family.

These outrageous crimes could have been prevented, which is why I am calling on every state in the union to pass a version of "Jessica's Law." The legislation is named after little Jessica Lunsford, who was just nine when her life was brutally ended by a sexual predator who had previously been convicted of sex crimes against a child. The crime forced Gov. Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature to mandate stiff minimum sentences for child abusers, who had all too often been slapped on the wrist by lenient judges.

There is simply no question that Jessica's Law will save lives, and similar laws need to be instituted in every state. Which is why we at The Factor have been putting pressure on Governors. Now it's your turn. We have investigated all 50 states to determine which ones are tough on sexual predators and which ones treat these criminals with kid gloves. You can find out where your state ranks elsewhere on this web site. If your state is soft or noncommittal, I urge you to write your Governor, who is paid by YOU. Simply click on your state on the map below and you will be taken to a form that will enable you to send a direct message to your state's chief executive. Please tell him or her, in your own words, how important this issue is to you - and remind the Governor that all politicians are ultimately accountable to you and your fellow voters.

This is literally a life-and-death battle to save our youngest and most vulnerable citizens from abuse, torture, and murder. I hope you'll do your part.


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Smitty, great post and yes we should look at every child as if they were ours and then punish these predators to the max.
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Smitty, great post and yes we should look at every child as if they were ours and then punish these predators to the max.
Yes. I see alot of liberal judges act asthough pedofilia is a disease and these poor rapists need counciling and immediate paroll. Its rediculous and there is no reguard for the child invalved! OUTRAGOUS!!
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CrimProf Blog: Federal Judge Halts Enforcement of Jessica's Law Based on Constitutionality
Judge: Jessica's Law isn't retroactive Oakland Tribune - Find Articles

FOXNews.com - A Vermont Paper Turns Jessica's Law Into a Gay Issue - Bill O’Reilly | The O’Reilly Factor

Jessica's Law for Illinois Petition : [ powered by iPetitions.com ]

SexCrimeDefender: Maine Legislature Debates "Jessica's Law"

Here are just a few of the more egregious examples:
In Rhode Island, 18-year-old Josh Maciorski was convicted of having sex with a 13-year-old girl, but sentenced to probation. Two years later he molested a 14-year-old girl and served just one year. Then, when he got out, Maciorski raped a 16-year-old girl. His sentence after this third strike - an unbelievable three years in prison.
In Missouri, 19-year old Darrell Jackson pleaded guilty to repeatedly sexually abusing a little girl, beginning she was just eight. But when Jackson came up for sentencing, a soft judge gave him four months in prison and five years probation.
In Minnesota, Joseph Duncan stood in front of a judge, accused of molesting a young boy. Despite the fact that Duncan had previously served 16 years for raping another young boy at gunpoint, the judge released him on just $15,000 bail. Duncan promptly skipped bail and headed for Idaho, where he allegedly kidnapped, raped, and killed a 9-year old boy, molested his sister, and killed their family.

These outrageous crimes could have been prevented, which is why I am calling on every state in the union to pass a version of "Jessica's Law." The legislation is named after little Jessica Lunsford, who was just nine when her life was brutally ended by a sexual predator who had previously been convicted of sex crimes against a child. The crime forced Gov. Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature to mandate stiff minimum sentences for child abusers, who had all too often been slapped on the wrist by lenient judges.

There is simply no question that Jessica's Law will save lives, and similar laws need to be instituted in every state. Which is why we at The Factor have been putting pressure on Governors. Now it's your turn. We have investigated all 50 states to determine which ones are tough on sexual predators and which ones treat these criminals with kid gloves. You can find out where your state ranks elsewhere on this web site. If your state is soft or noncommittal, I urge you to write your Governor, who is paid by YOU. Simply click on your state on the map below and you will be taken to a form that will enable you to send a direct message to your state's chief executive. Please tell him or her, in your own words, how important this issue is to you - and remind the Governor that all politicians are ultimately accountable to you and your fellow voters.

This is literally a life-and-death battle to save our youngest and most vulnerable citizens from abuse, torture, and murder. I hope you'll do your part.


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Smitty, while I appreciate the fact that we must protect our children, there are several problems with these laws. They are reactionary at best, which means that they really do little to nothing to actually protect the children. They are unconstitutional in that you run into double jeapardy. I can also guarantee you that most these cases are plea bargained out, and that is the reason for such small sentences.

But let's say they aren't plea bargained out: Then you have one of two scenarios. The first being that many molesters will simply go untried, because this type of act is very hard to prove.

OR juries will be reactionary and convict without any real evidence, which means innocent men will be convicted.

BTW: I think the titled to this thread is very biased, unless of course you have absolute proof that it is the liberals that hate Jessica's Laws.

Maybe we are just able to not be reactionary and look at the whole picture.
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Smitty, while I appreciate the fact that we must protect our children, there are several problems with these laws. They are reactionary at best, which means that they really do little to nothing to actually protect the children. They are unconstitutional in that you run into double jeapardy. I can also guarantee you that most these cases are plea bargained out, and that is the reason for such small sentences.

But let's say they aren't plea bargained out: Then you have one of two scenarios. The first being that many molesters will simply go untried, because this type of act is very hard to prove.

OR juries will be reactionary and convict without any real evidence, which means innocent men will be convicted.

BTW: I think the titled to this thread is very biased, unless of course you have absolute proof that it is the liberals that hate Jessica's Laws.

Maybe we are just able to not be reactionary and look at the whole picture.
Freedom, I have to say that I understand what you are trying to say about thet these laws, but if Jessica had been my grand daughter, the sob would not have lived to go to trial. Guess I am old school on this subject.
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Smitty, while I appreciate the fact that we must protect our children, there are several problems with these laws. They are reactionary at best, which means that they really do little to nothing to actually protect the children. They are unconstitutional in that you run into double jeapardy. I can also guarantee you that most these cases are plea bargained out, and that is the reason for such small sentences.

But let's say they aren't plea bargained out: Then you have one of two scenarios. The first being that many molesters will simply go untried, because this type of act is very hard to prove.

OR juries will be reactionary and convict without any real evidence, which means innocent men will be convicted.

BTW: I think the titled to this thread is very biased, unless of course you have absolute proof that it is the liberals that hate Jessica's Laws.

Maybe we are just able to not be reactionary and look at the whole picture.
BillOReilly.com: Jessica's Law

WHEN CHILD MOLESTER AFTER CHILD MOLESTER GETS PAROLE AFTER PLEAING GUILTY OR BEING FOUND GUILTY THEN THATS WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE JUDGES. AND ITS THE LIBERALS HOLDING BACK JESSICAS LAW. LOOK AT THE STATES. LOOK AT THE CITIES. WHY NOT PASS THIS LAW? READ THIS.


Here are just a few of the more egregious examples:
In Rhode Island, 18-year-old Josh Maciorski was convicted of having sex with a 13-year-old girl, but sentenced to probation. Two years later he molested a 14-year-old girl and served just one year. Then, when he got out, Maciorski raped a 16-year-old girl. His sentence after this third strike - an unbelievable three years in prison.
In Missouri, 19-year old Darrell Jackson pleaded guilty to repeatedly sexually abusing a little girl, beginning she was just eight. But when Jackson came up for sentencing, a soft judge gave him four months in prison and five years probation.
In Minnesota, Joseph Duncan stood in front of a judge, accused of molesting a young boy. Despite the fact that Duncan had previously served 16 years for raping another young boy at gunpoint, the judge released him on just $15,000 bail. Duncan promptly skipped bail and headed for Idaho, where he allegedly kidnapped, raped, and killed a 9-year old boy, molested his sister, and killed their family.

These outrageous crimes could have been prevented, which is why I am calling on every state in the union to pass a version of "Jessica's Law." The legislation is named after little Jessica Lunsford, who was just nine when her life was brutally ended by a sexual predator who had previously been convicted of sex crimes against a child. The crime forced Gov. Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature to mandate stiff minimum sentences for child abusers, who had all too often been slapped on the wrist by lenient judges.

There is simply no question that Jessica's Law will save lives, and similar laws need to be instituted in every state. Which is why we at The Factor have been putting pressure on Governors. Now it's your turn. We have investigated all 50 states to determine which ones are tough on sexual predators and which ones treat these criminals with kid gloves. You can find out where your state ranks elsewhere on this web site. If your state is soft or noncommittal, I urge you to write your Governor, who is paid by YOU. Simply click on your state on the map below and you will be taken to a form that will enable you to send a direct message to your state's chief executive. Please tell him or her, in your own words, how important this issue is to you - and remind the Governor that all politicians are ultimately accountable to you and your fellow voters.

This is literally a life-and-death battle to save our youngest and most vulnerable citizens from abuse, torture, and murder. I hope you'll do your part.


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WHEN CHILD MOLESTER AFTER CHILD MOLESTER GETS PAROLE AFTER PLEAING GUILTY OR BEING FOUND GUILTY THEN THATS WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THESE JUDGES. AND ITS THE LIBERALS HOLDING BACK JESSICAS LAW. LOOK AT THE STATES. LOOK AT THE CITIES. WHY NOT PASS THIS LAW? READ THIS.


Here are just a few of the more egregious examples:
In Rhode Island, 18-year-old Josh Maciorski was convicted of having sex with a 13-year-old girl, but sentenced to probation. Two years later he molested a 14-year-old girl and served just one year. Then, when he got out, Maciorski raped a 16-year-old girl. His sentence after this third strike - an unbelievable three years in prison.
In Missouri, 19-year old Darrell Jackson pleaded guilty to repeatedly sexually abusing a little girl, beginning she was just eight. But when Jackson came up for sentencing, a soft judge gave him four months in prison and five years probation.
In Minnesota, Joseph Duncan stood in front of a judge, accused of molesting a young boy. Despite the fact that Duncan had previously served 16 years for raping another young boy at gunpoint, the judge released him on just $15,000 bail. Duncan promptly skipped bail and headed for Idaho, where he allegedly kidnapped, raped, and killed a 9-year old boy, molested his sister, and killed their family.

These outrageous crimes could have been prevented, which is why I am calling on every state in the union to pass a version of "Jessica's Law." The legislation is named after little Jessica Lunsford, who was just nine when her life was brutally ended by a sexual predator who had previously been convicted of sex crimes against a child. The crime forced Gov. Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature to mandate stiff minimum sentences for child abusers, who had all too often been slapped on the wrist by lenient judges.

There is simply no question that Jessica's Law will save lives, and similar laws need to be instituted in every state. Which is why we at The Factor have been putting pressure on Governors. Now it's your turn. We have investigated all 50 states to determine which ones are tough on sexual predators and which ones treat these criminals with kid gloves. You can find out where your state ranks elsewhere on this web site. If your state is soft or noncommittal, I urge you to write your Governor, who is paid by YOU. Simply click on your state on the map below and you will be taken to a form that will enable you to send a direct message to your state's chief executive. Please tell him or her, in your own words, how important this issue is to you - and remind the Governor that all politicians are ultimately accountable to you and your fellow voters.

This is literally a life-and-death battle to save our youngest and most vulnerable citizens from abuse, torture, and murder. I hope you'll do your part.


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Smitty, I already read it, the first time you posted it. You need to look at the states. It is not the liberals holding this law back.

As to the law, just like Megans Law, It is reactionary, and will really do NOTHING to keep our kids safe. It is also unconstitutional. If you wish to debate those two things, I would be more than happy. Or we could continue to debate your bias against "liberals".

Mitt Romney and Mike Huclebee both refused to pass Jessica's Law when they were governors. They, I believe, are both Republican Presidential Candidates. The biggest share of the "yellow" states in your own link are generally republican held states.

P.S. California, which passed one of the strongest forms of this law, is a "liberal haven."
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It seems like dangerous people are let out of prison and middle class and poor that break the drug laws or any other law concerning money must be kept in.
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Well, they don't support it because it's not protecting their rights.
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