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Old 07-18-2006, 01:35 PM
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Does this sound peaceful to you?
Mohammad: Quotes from the the prophet

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
Qur’an:8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
Qur’an:48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”

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Old 07-18-2006, 07:00 PM
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
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Does this sound peaceful to you?
Mohammad: Quotes from the the prophet

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
Qur’an:8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
Qur’an:48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”

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Old 07-18-2006, 07:49 PM
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Lion of Islam said to prove it. So i did.
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:21 PM
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Does this sound peaceful to you?
Mohammad: Quotes from the the prophet

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
Qur’an:8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
Qur’an:48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”

Does that sound peaceful to you?
You can't simply take verses of the quran and explain them as u wish. the verses of the quran each has a story and when you read them you also have to read when where they said and what is the story behind it.

Me myself I'm a muslim but not a true believer. i read a lot about religions, i encountered a lot of confusion moments in my life, i worked and helped in churches in my community in lebanon and here abroad, i find religious people peaceful and nice to talk too, but i can't imagine that there is a god that want people to fight in his name, whether muslims, christians and jews.

Anyway, i will try to look for these verses you posted since i usally read them in arabic. this doesn't mean that im defending it and saying it's peaceful. the only peaceful religions in life are the spiritual ones such as buddhism. other than that, i think all of them in a way or another and in some context preaches violence if not through words, through the people that take the responsibilty of spreading their religion and they turn out to be spreading poison
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Old 07-20-2006, 03:33 PM
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You can't simply take verses of the quran and explain them as u wish. the verses of the quran each has a story and when you read them you also have to read when where they said and what is the story behind it.

Me myself I'm a muslim but not a true believer. i read a lot about religions, i encountered a lot of confusion moments in my life, i worked and helped in churches in my community in lebanon and here abroad, i find religious people peaceful and nice to talk too, but i can't imagine that there is a god that want people to fight in his name, whether muslims, christians and jews.

Anyway, i will try to look for these verses you posted since i usally read them in arabic. this doesn't mean that im defending it and saying it's peaceful. the only peaceful religions in life are the spiritual ones such as buddhism. other than that, i think all of them in a way or another and in some context preaches violence if not through words, through the people that take the responsibilty of spreading their religion and they turn out to be spreading poison
Umm, Christianity is a pretty peaceful religion. Given there have been some nut-jobs that try to claim they are doing God's work by wars and what not, but there is really no support for war or fighting in the Christian bible; though self defense isn't looked down upon.
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Old 07-21-2006, 04:57 AM
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Gixaholic isnt a challenge, anybody else?? Probably not, the anti- Muslim crowd cant even grasp simple passages in the Quran and Hadiths.

Evidently not all Muslims can grasp the passages either. If they could then some of them wouldn't strap explosives to their bodies and blow up pizza parlors.
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Gixaholic isnt a challenge, anybody else?? Probably not, the anti- Muslim crowd cant even grasp simple passages in the Quran and Hadiths.
If you continue to be so dead set against this then the debate is pointless because in your head you will twist what we tell you so you can ignore it. I love how people use only the passages of the Quran that support their interests at the time.
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I challenge ANYONE who disagrees that Islam is based upon Peace and Coexistence with other people who dont follow Islam, To PROVE it. Have A Good Day.
Hey cubby..
a hint.. if you want to sow credible doubt in a targets mind.. having a picture that resembles teenage hoodlum toughs is not the help you think it is.
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Lets face it, there is only one religon that is totally down on killing of any kind. and who knows which that is?

All religons that calim exclusitivity are to blame for the condition of the world. They are all self centered around primitive, get the word primate mind set.
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