Say what you will. But my friend actions speak louder then words. Lets see if you guys where so peacfull then why the chearing after the planes hit the towers. Where was the so called non muslim fanaticle outcry and deploration of the events that transpired. Where had been the muslim outcry "either from the muslim media or people" about the beheading the kidnappings the mutalation and torture etc.

You can quote from the quran a million times and you know what you would still be talking out of your ass. Because it's your people that are stirring the hornets nest. It's you people that are killing innocent people and not even infedels but your own muslim people. Your culture is barbaric and your practices are likewies. And there is a reason why your society hasn't advanced one iota in the last 1500 years. And even with all that oil you guys are still not inovating or advancing yourselfs.

Get over it. There is only one Religion that preaches tolerance in this world. And Im not talking about the big three. Im talking about the Religion of The United States Of America. Everything every other countrie strive to be like. Where people are literaly dieing to come to.

Believe Me, Ill keep saying the things I say. So 1.5 billion Muslims crashed planes into buildings? "You Guys".LOL. Have you heard the opinon of every Muslim on Earth?? You dont know whats going on. Right now theres a Imam in Iraq that is condeming the Fighting between Sunnis and Shias. Theres a Yemeni Poet writing about the how terrorism isnt justified. Theres an Islamic Scholar in Saudi Arabia preaching the True Meaning of Jihad. Just some examples. You can not say that people condemn it or not, just because its not on your TV doesnt mean its not happening. You really talk like You know Everything.

Talkin out my ass huh? LOL. Do you even know what "Quran" means? LOL.Stirred up a hornets nest. You want a prime example!? What would you describe the situation in Iraq as? LOL. And who decided to go into Iraq, when all the Hornets were dorment? We Muslims dont back down. You cant mess with Us and get away with it. And now you have alot of Pissed off Hornets. Its the United States fault for being in Iraq. The Al Qaidah links to Saddam have been disputed, its not even a proven fact. So the US doesnt kill innocent people? Didnt you hear about Haditha? Ha, Im sure your in denial about that stuff. Both Sides in the conflict kill innocent people.

The United States religion is the worship of Idols.

Im gonna qoute the Quran in regards to tolerance, but I gotta go do some work. And I will qoute the Quran a Million and ONE times if I have to!

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I would love for you to explain these to me.




“Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” (Hadith Al Buhkari vol. 9:57)

Whoever seeks other than Islam as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he will be with the losers” “Slay the idolators [non-Muslims] wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the last Day…. Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! (Sura 9:5,29,41).

Mohammed said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah” (Al Bukhari vol. 4:196)

:51 “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.”

“What, do you desire to guide him whom God has led astray? Whom God leads astray, thou wilt not find for him a way [of salvation]. They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as a friend or helper. (Arberry, Interpreted p.113)
Hadith, the body of traditions relating to Mohammed and now supplemental to the Koran: He (Abu Hurayah) reported the messenger of Allah as saying: The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, so that Jews will hide behind stones and trees and the Stone and the tree will say, O Muslim, O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him. The only exception will be the box-thorn for it is one of the trees of the Jews. (Sahih of Muslim, quoted by Israel and the Prophecies of Al Quran by Ali Akbar, Bismi Publishers 1992, p.44)





I would also love you to explain this to me (I am not trying to justify the crusades, just pointing out).

In 635, 3 years after Muhammed's death, Damascus fell to invading Muslim armies

In 636 the Caliph Umar invaded and took over the city of al-Basrah in Iraq

In 637, the Christian city of Antioch fell to Muslim invaders

In 639 Jerusalem (at the time a Christian city) fell to invading Muslims

Also in 639, the Muslim General 'Amr started the invasion of Egypt and in 642, Alexandria fell.

In 668, Muslim armies laid seige to Constantinople for several years, and again in 717.

Muslim armies swept rapidly through North Africa and by 711, they were in position to invade Spain. By 715, nearly all of Spain had been conquered and subdued by Muslims

In 732, French General Charles Martel stopped invading Muslims at the city of Tours.

In 792, Hisham, the Muslims ruler of Spain declared another jihad, and Muslim armies again invaded France and were again, stopped cold.

In 827 jihad was declared and Muslims invaded Sicily and Italy, by 846 they had reached Rome but their prescence there was tenuous at best. However they remained until 1091 when Normans drove them out.

In 848 yet another Muslim army invaded France and did considerable damage, however over time they ran out of steam and many warriors converted to Christianity.

In 1009, Abu 'Ali al-Mansur al-Hakim, the 6th Fatimid Caliph, ordered that the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem be destroyed along with the Church of the Resurrection.

In 1071, the Seljuk Turks defeated a Bizantine army at the Battle of Manzikert and by 1076 had conquered Syria, by 1077 Jerusalem had fallen to the Seljuk Turks

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I have never read the Koran but does it really say that in there? If it does I sure would like to hear how that is peaceful.

Jesus preached love and forgiveness, not kill anyone who doesn't believe what I say.

I dont mean to interupt but many of these areas you speak of and claim to be Christian outposts or cities if you like, were in fact cities that had carried through the Roman Empire as Roman cities and whether you like it or not they becam The Holy Roman Churchs spoils of war. That you include European soil, Spain, Portugal, France, Italy and attempts on Malta, simply confirms: What went around, came around and again and again and now again. So, who wants to blame who for what as an arguement to make anything a good enough excuse?

Ever read the old testament jrafe? The Quran is much much closer to the old testament than it is to Christianity. God (the father of Christ), was heavily engaged in inciting violence against non believers. Same thing here. But I'd be willing to guess that there is an alternate and perhaps more accurate interpretation of "Idolator" than "non Muslim". God told is in the old testiment, to worship no God before him. He also said that the worship of idols was forbidden. The Muslims are simply following that creed. You worship God, not the symbol of God.

Those that do pray to statuary and pictures and the like are going against God in their view. As to slaying? On that I can't speak.

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The Old Testament does contain a lot of violence, but not just for violent sake. It is a love story. The story of a God who loves a people so much that he blesses them but is not afraid to punish them when the deserve it. It is a story of people who fail to believe in God and instead turn to wickedness. Is the Old Testament violent? Yes, but the overlying theme is the love God has for his people. The main purpose of the Old Testament is to point ahead to the truest act of this love as depicted in the Gospels. (Not the agnostic gospels, but Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John)

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I'm sorry but I was raised Christian, and I'm not devout and I don't even practice my beliefs that much, and I remember sunday school and learning all the bible stories and such, I never got a sense of violence from it in all my years of growing up in the church. I do remember the concept of helping people and being good to one another. There may be violence in the Old Testament but it's certainly not stressed as a focal point, at least not that I can recall.

And God of the old testament said Leave not one of them alive, not their women,children nor floks of the field. Leave none of their seed.

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Don't worry extremism is everyone on this site.. don't be drawn away from it and don't point it out. Stick with your believes... don't let anyone sway you to thinking otherwise.

Back to my point of view.

No one is pointing the finger at all of the muslims, we are pointing it toward the terr orr ists that did start 911, nothing extreme, but you can make it that way if you wish. I agree war is never the reaction I would look for neither you... lets face it no matter how much we try and stop it war will always take hold of other money hungry nations... including ourselves. No one is to blame.. fate itself is, by God there shouldn't be anyone who doesn't grit at the site of mass homicides and mass slaughterings of individuals done by terr or ists... same to our military on ground fights and air strikes.. to suvilians.

Don't even get me started on Christianity VS Islam.... some reward you get for your duties, especially when homicide and virgins are involved.

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