Veterans of Iraq will need money and support

Sam · #1 (**permalink**) 11-27-2006, 03:07 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232019,00.html

oceanbreeze · #2 (**permalink**) 11-27-2006, 09:47 PM

Everyday I see soliders without limbs, physical scars, a distant look; America isn't ready for the emotional scars that our soliders are/will bringing home.

http://militarycity.com/valor/

rob · #3 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232019,00.html

Sam, all Americans should view this link and know what these fine people are going through.

Realist1 · #4 (**permalink**) 04-07-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyofmts

Everyday I see soliders without limbs, physical scars, a distant look; America isn't ready for the emotional scars that our soliders are/will bringing home.

http://militarycity.com/valor/

That's called the Far Look in their eyes...There's a place in your mind you go to when you've seen too much to deal with. It'll take a while for most of them to focus again.

TheHarshTruth · #5 (**permalink**) 04-07-2007, 10:21 PM

Sorry, but I ain't giving a dime to any of them. They could have said no at any point. They didn't.

cat's meow · #6 (**permalink**) 04-07-2007, 10:21 PM

calculator right hear...I will do the math, got the formulas fromt he article...

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Statistics from the Vietnam war show that 153,303 service personnel were seriously wounded. In that conflict, that's roughly one soldier killed for every 2.6 wounded. In Iraq, it's one soldier killed for every 16 wounded.

in Vietnam there were roughly:
153,303 seriously wounded
58,000 deaths

Iraq it is 1 for 16

roughly 3200 deaths to date

So does that mean 51,200 (roughly) wounded seriously in Iraq?

Ok, take the math further.

If we take the equivalant of the current war but in Vietnam era medical technology (scenerio) then we would come out with 19,690 dead by this point (at four years). By this time in 1968 there were (1964 being the Tonkin Gulf Resolution):

1964 206
1965 1,863
1966 6,143
1967 11,153
1968 16,592
(from the National Archives)

Close to 20,000-30,000 dead in four years depending on where the time line is ended at a demarkation of four years for both wars...

Seems to not support the far right wing, "hell, this 3000+ does not even compare, real light casualties."

What BS that is...death is death and casualties are casualties and all we are doing is creating more permenantly injured people that have to come back and live their lives. And honestly, we still do not really have a clear picture on what for.

TheHarshTruth · #7 (**permalink**) 04-07-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

calculator right hear...I will do the math, got the formulas fromt he article...

in Vietnam there were roughly:
153,303 seriously wounded
58,000 deaths

Iraq it is 1 for 16

roughly 3200 deaths to date

So does that mean 51,200 (roughly) wounded seriously in Iraq?

Ok, take the math further.

If we take the equivalant of the current war but in Vietnam era medical technology (scenerio) then we would come out with 19,690 dead by this point (at four years). By this time in 1968 there were (1964 being the Tonkin Gulf Resolution):

1964 206
1965 1,863
1966 6,143
1967 11,153
1968 16,592
(from the National Archives)

Close to 20,000-30,000 dead in four years depending on where the time line is ended at a demarkation of four years for both wars...

Seems to not support the far right wing, "hell, this 3000+ does not even compare, real light casualties."

What BS that is...death is death and casualties are casualties and all we are doing is creating more permenantly injured people that have to come back and live their lives. And honestly, we still do not really have a clear picture on what for.

Nice math. Some of the numbers need to be sourced a little to make them more convincing though.

Truthwrappedinlies · #8 (**permalink**) 04-07-2007, 11:35 PM

you think "america" gives a damn you're sorely mistaken.
our morales don't permit us to care....

but i will explain..

for the simple fact the vietnam vets are living through hell..and they got pretty fucked up "homes" that they live in..

cat's meow · #9 (**permalink**) 04-07-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHarshTruth

Nice math. Some of the numbers need to be sourced a little to make them more convincing though.

Look, I did it very quickly and the numbers I got were straight from the National Archives...I did use the calculator...

...no not exact but it makes the point and puts us in the ballpark of how f'ed up this mess is and how very little this president and his VP (Rumsfeld, Addington, Wolfowitz, et al) actually thought through this set of lies.

Sam · #10 (**permalink**) 04-08-2007, 01:45 AM

I think you know how to do math. The complicated part is because of emergency medicine in the field , the same ratio does not apply. More troops lives are being saved with more debilitating injuries and that will require longterm care or complete care for the rest of their lives.