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Old 05-02-2008, 12:51 AM
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The War On Waste, Defense Department Cannot Account For 25% Of Funds — $2.3 Trillion - CBS News

They dont need more money they need to find what they already got
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Old 05-02-2008, 12:54 AM
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Yes, you can't be more right.

I see (from before) many have tried to chime in here and 'crunch' my numbers. I got the numbers from the National Archives...I said that. Go look them up at that point.

Next, depending on what level you think our government is supposed to be commited to a war or the casualites (afterwards) of said war is really up to you. I personally think wars should (directly) be fought with this in mind and as per what the REAL goal is and what you get out of it in the end. Except for endless platitudes and shifting goal posts there has never been a clear objective for Iraq. Right now Al Qaida is doing pretty damn well in Pakistan, why don't we invade that country? Are not the casualties worth the cost of 'protecting America'? Ask the right questions and it might surprise you how f*cked up we really are right now.

I again refer all to reading the study by Ginsberg and Associates that was done after WWII, commissioned by Eisenhower. It goes through all these numbers and what war really costs us and what is the proper way to prepare for war in the future.

BTW Sam, your countrymen (the French) did a study about all this stuff after they pulled out of Africa and Indochina. They realized some grave mistakes and we did not listen to any of that or any of our own assessments before invading Iraq...truly pathetic.
I will go with you on one thing. Why did we just stop why do we attack them once place but then do not in another. Why do we allow other know countries to harbor them and do nothing. Bush said you are either for us or against us. He is so full of shit and the way he has and is fighting this bullshit war is a disgrace and to political. That pisses me off to no end because our troops suffer because of that bullshit. We either shit or get off the pot and at this point I say we get off the pot becasue the politics of it make the war effort not worth a damn.
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Old 05-02-2008, 01:03 AM
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Yes, that means we all need to reach deep in our pockets and pay for it..or leave it for the next generation to pay.
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Old 05-02-2008, 09:15 AM
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Cat did a great job of math and making his point (he always does) my point was that there are greater numbers of severely disabled veterans in this war as opposed to all others.



Yes, that means we all need to reach deep in our pockets and pay for it..or leave it for the next generation to pay.
This will solve all of the problems:
Democrats in Congress, steal from our war vets need to be sent to prison for life, no parole.

Senator exits MILCON following Metro exposé, vet-care scandal

By Peter Byrne

SEN. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee. As previously and extensively reviewed in these pages, Feinstein was chairperson and ranking member of MILCON for six years, during which time she had a conflict of interest due to her husband Richard C. Blum's ownership of two major defense contractors, who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects approved by Feinstein.

As MILCON leader, Feinstein relished the details of military construction, even micromanaging one project at the level of its sewer design. She regularly took junkets to military bases around the world to inspect construction projects, some of which were contracted to her husband's companies, Perini Corp. and URS Corp.

Perhaps she resigned from MILCON because she could not take the heat generated by Metro's expose of her ethics (which was partially funded by the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute). Or was her work on the subcommittee finished because Blum divested ownership of his military construction and advanced weapons manufacturing firms in late 2005?

The MILCON subcommittee is not only in charge of supervising military construction, it also oversees "quality of life" issues for veterans, which includes building housing for military families and operating hospitals and clinics for wounded soldiers. Perhaps Feinstein is trying to disassociate herself from MILCON's incredible failure to provide decent medical care for wounded soldiers.

Two years ago, before the Washington Post became belatedly involved, the online magazine Salon.com exposed the horrors of deficient medical care for Iraq war veterans. While leading MILCON, Feinstein had ample warning of the medical-care meltdown. But she was not proactive on veteran's affairs.

Feinstein abandoned MILCON as her ethical problems were surfacing in the media, and as it was becoming clear that her subcommittee left grievously wounded veterans to rot while her family was profiting from the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. It turns out that Blum also holds large investments in companies that were selling medical equipment and supplies and real estate leases—often without the benefit of competitive bidding—to the Department of Veterans Affairs, even as the system of medical care for veterans collapsed on his wife's watch.

As of December 2006, according to SEC filings and Welcome to FedSpending.org, three corporations in which Blum's financial entities own a total of $1 billion in stock won considerable favor from the budgets of the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs:

# Boston Scientific Corporation: $17.8 million for medical equipment and supplies; 85 percent of contracts awarded without benefit of competition.

# Kinetic Concepts Inc.: $12 million, medical equipment and supplies; 28 percent noncompetitively awarded.

# CB Richard Ellis: The Blum-controlled international real estate firm holds congressionally funded contracts to lease office space to the Department of Veterans Affairs. It also is involved in redeveloping military bases turned over to the private sector.

You would think that, considering all the money Feinstein's family has pocketed by waging global warfare while ignoring the plight of wounded American soldiers, she would show a smidgeon of shame and resign from the entire Senate, not just a subcommittee. Conversely, you'd think she might stick around MILCON to try and fix the medical-care disaster she helped to engineer for the vets who were suckered into fighting her and Bush's panoply of unjust wars.
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Old 05-02-2008, 09:56 AM
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Now here is a good of why you should not vote for Obama or Hillary. Socialized medacine hmmmmm they are all for it and have such good plans. FUCK look at the VA and how bad the standard of care is etc. etc. now you want that shit on a national level. They can't even handle the military care what the hell makes everyone think they can handle a national health care system? You just can't talk to some people
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Now here is a good of why you should not vote for Obama or Hillary. Socialized medacine hmmmmm they are all for it and have such good plans. FUCK look at the VA and how bad the standard of care is etc. etc. now you want that shit on a national level. They can't even handle the military care what the hell makes everyone think they can handle a national health care system? You just can't talk to some people
Your right!Military health care is abismal.Was'nt it Bill Clinton who closed all the Military bases along with their hospitals.The way our veterans are cared for is pathetic,I dont want the govt,given the oppotunity to make it worse.
National health care will bankrupt the country further.California already puts out 15 billion a years in "Healthfare" costs per year.I can barely afford my own
and I certainly dont want to pay for illegals health care.Who do those who
want it think is going to pay for it,
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:19 PM
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Your right!Military health care is abismal.Was'nt it Bill Clinton who closed all the Military bases along with their hospitals.The way our veterans are cared for is pathetic,I dont want the govt,given the oppotunity to make it worse.
National health care will bankrupt the country further.California already puts out 15 billion a years in "Healthfare" costs per year.I can barely afford my own
and I certainly dont want to pay for illegals health care.Who do those who
want it think is going to pay for it,
Well they are going to pay for it by taking the money from Iraq and military.
Good old bill almost distroyed the military with all the cutbacks he did.
The money they save from taking it away from the military is going to help pay the health care plan. Then they are going to raise taxes to cover the rest. Hell I wouldn't doubt that obama would raise the gas tax to help cover the funds.
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Old 05-05-2008, 05:23 PM
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Wrong, American Vets need private healthcare. Congress is stealing healthcare money from wounded war Vets.
The same people crying about Veteran's healthcare are calling for the same healthcare for all Americans. Crooks!

Senator exits MILCON following Metro exposé, vet-care scandal

By Peter Byrne

SEN. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee. As previously and extensively reviewed in these pages, Feinstein was chairperson and ranking member of MILCON for six years, during which time she had a conflict of interest due to her husband Richard C. Blum's ownership of two major defense contractors, who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects approved by Feinstein.

As MILCON leader, Feinstein relished the details of military construction, even micromanaging one project at the level of its sewer design. She regularly took junkets to military bases around the world to inspect construction projects, some of which were contracted to her husband's companies, Perini Corp. and URS Corp.

Perhaps she resigned from MILCON because she could not take the heat generated by Metro's expose of her ethics (which was partially funded by the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute). Or was her work on the subcommittee finished because Blum divested ownership of his military construction and advanced weapons manufacturing firms in late 2005?

The MILCON subcommittee is not only in charge of supervising military construction, it also oversees "quality of life" issues for veterans, which includes building housing for military families and operating hospitals and clinics for wounded soldiers. Perhaps Feinstein is trying to disassociate herself from MILCON's incredible failure to provide decent medical care for wounded soldiers.

Two years ago, before the Washington Post became belatedly involved, the online magazine Salon.com exposed the horrors of deficient medical care for Iraq war veterans. While leading MILCON, Feinstein had ample warning of the medical-care meltdown. But she was not proactive on veteran's affairs.

Feinstein abandoned MILCON as her ethical problems were surfacing in the media, and as it was becoming clear that her subcommittee left grievously wounded veterans to rot while her family was profiting from the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. It turns out that Blum also holds large investments in companies that were selling medical equipment and supplies and real estate leases—often without the benefit of competitive bidding—to the Department of Veterans Affairs, even as the system of medical care for veterans collapsed on his wife's watch.

As of December 2006, according to SEC filings and Welcome to FedSpending.org, three corporations in which Blum's financial entities own a total of $1 billion in stock won considerable favor from the budgets of the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs:

# Boston Scientific Corporation: $17.8 million for medical equipment and supplies; 85 percent of contracts awarded without benefit of competition.

# Kinetic Concepts Inc.: $12 million, medical equipment and supplies; 28 percent noncompetitively awarded.

# CB Richard Ellis: The Blum-controlled international real estate firm holds congressionally funded contracts to lease office space to the Department of Veterans Affairs. It also is involved in redeveloping military bases turned over to the private sector.

You would think that, considering all the money Feinstein's family has pocketed by waging global warfare while ignoring the plight of wounded American soldiers, she would show a smidgeon of shame and resign from the entire Senate, not just a subcommittee. Conversely, you'd think she might stick around MILCON to try and fix the medical-care disaster she helped to engineer for the vets who were suckered into fighting her and Bush's panoply of unjust wars.
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I will go with you on one thing. Why did we just stop why do we attack them once place but then do not in another. Why do we allow other know countries to harbor them and do nothing. Bush said you are either for us or against us. He is so full of shit and the way he has and is fighting this bullshit war is a disgrace and to political. That pisses me off to no end because our troops suffer because of that bullshit. We either shit or get off the pot and at this point I say we get off the pot becasue the politics of it make the war effort not worth a damn.
You and I don't agree on everything but I am all with you on this. The 'supporting the troops' crap is meaningless and superfluous when you start to consider the incredible amount of bad political decisions that have gone on with this useless war. Every three months we have been getting, "just wait three months and it will turn the corner." Where is that corner we are supposed to have turned?
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You and I don't agree on everything but I am all with you on this. The 'supporting the troops' crap is meaningless and superfluous when you start to consider the incredible amount of bad political decisions that have gone on with this useless war. Every three months we have been getting, "just wait three months and it will turn the corner." Where is that corner we are supposed to have turned?
Seven more?

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Metro -- Ramona Army Ranger killed in Afghanistan

A deeply sad & disturbing story.....
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