AlterNet: War on Iraq: Iraq Death Toll Rivals Rwanda Genocide, Cambodian Killing Fields

Here are some studies on Iraqi deaths since Bush invaded....

Poll: Civilian Death Toll in Iraq May Top 1 MillionA British survey offers the highest estimate to date. At least 4 die in a Sadr City car bombing. - CommonDreams.org

No wonder they want us to leave...can you imagine how many familes have been touched by this violence which WAS not present under Saddam?

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Sam we need better money and support for ALL our veterans who have fought. They deserve better than the VA, they paid a terrible price to earn it.

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Cat did a great job of math and making his point (he always does) my point was that there are greater numbers of severely disabled veterans in this war as opposed to all others.

Yes, that means we all need to reach deep in our pockets and pay for it..or leave it for the next generation to pay.

There are more disabled vets because medical tech is much more advanced than before. Lives are saved in the field where as before they didn't stand a chance.

Medical and psychological care needs vast improvement for the vets NOW.
As a society, we are still paying for the costs of Vietnam, economically, socially, spiritually.

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Yes, clearly you just reiterated my entire point. Now, how do we pay for it? Do we roll back tax cuts for the wealthy or just pass the debt on to our children?

The bill is now in the trillions...do we keep running up the tab? Are you willing to help pay for it? I do not mean bumper stickers, care packages or praying or sending more people to Iraq..that just adds to our burden. Are Americans ready to bring out their checkbooks and pay for it? Really, maybe everyone should get a second job and send the cash to help pay the bill...

Really, I have sent care packages through my church, treated Iraq war veterans as patients and I just paid certainly my fair share in taxes from my personal income .

Should we all divide up the bill and write a direct check...including the care of all the severely disabled veterans for their lifetime. If we include that cost it might be > several trillion.

I mean after all if we were stupid enough to vote in the administration for a second time who started the Iraqbaloney , I think we should all have to pay for our stupidity.

Tax Tax tax....Sam Sam Sam...your doing a good job of making O'reiley correct. Strive to be more different. Out of the norm. Do the unpopular thing..piss some folks off....Beeee Freench.... :P Tax em isnt very inovative...

Goverment cant handle money they "lose" and squander billions. Shit they "lose" e-mails. It doesnt just happen when bush is in. Better oversight less Lobby money. More efficiency. Thats the ticket. Throwing good money after bad wont wok

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Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8Ek...eature=related

I am very French and proud of it...

My point is..... those who want to cut taxes during war time and claiming to want to take care of the veterans. It is an oxymoron.

But the goverment can not account for or properly spend the money it has now. Efficiency and oversight would work better. As it stands now. Giving the goverment more money would only allow more to be squandered

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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest

Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.

Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V8Ek...eature=related

Yes, you can't be more right.

I see (from before) many have tried to chime in here and 'crunch' my numbers. I got the numbers from the National Archives...I said that. Go look them up at that point.

Next, depending on what level you think our government is supposed to be commited to a war or the casualites (afterwards) of said war is really up to you. I personally think wars should (directly) be fought with this in mind and as per what the REAL goal is and what you get out of it in the end. Except for endless platitudes and shifting goal posts there has never been a clear objective for Iraq. Right now Al Qaida is doing pretty damn well in Pakistan, why don't we invade that country? Are not the casualties worth the cost of 'protecting America'? Ask the right questions and it might surprise you how f*cked up we really are right now.

I again refer all to reading the study by Ginsberg and Associates that was done after WWII, commissioned by Eisenhower. It goes through all these numbers and what war really costs us and what is the proper way to prepare for war in the future.

BTW Sam, your countrymen (the French) did a study about all this stuff after they pulled out of Africa and Indochina. They realized some grave mistakes and we did not listen to any of that or any of our own assessments before invading Iraq...truly pathetic.

Politicians can say no at anytime also and you pay them to make your life harder and more fucked up. So you aint going to pay them a dime anymore? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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