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Look, I did it very quickly and the numbers I got were straight from the National Archives...I did use the calculator...  ...no not exact but it makes the point and puts us in the ballpark of how f'ed up this mess is and how very little this president and his VP (Rumsfeld, Addington, Wolfowitz, et al) actually thought through this set of lies. |
You assume I know where the national archives are located. I don't.
And why do you use a calculator instead of a spreadsheet! 
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04-08-2007, 07:08 AM
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I think you know how to do math. The complicated part is because of emergency medicine in the field , the same ratio does not apply. More troops lives are being saved with more debilitating injuries and that will require longterm care or complete care for the rest of their lives.
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I think you didn't take the time to fully understand the math. The point of his math was to demonstrate exactly what you said.
That's the problem with math. Unless you put lots of descriptions in it to explain where you get the numbers and what they describe nobody takes the time to follow it.
Cat got the math right but didn't bother to explain in enough depth what those numbers meant and what they showed. And of course no references.
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03/04/07 "Whoso would be a man must be a nonconformist." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson, US essayist & poet (1803 - 1882)
02/25/07 "There is no nonsense so errant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action." ~ Bertrand Russell, British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)
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04-08-2007, 09:29 AM
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Sorry, but I ain't giving a dime to any of them. They could have said no at any point. They didn't.
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Harsh; It's Easter, I'm going to give you a free pass on this one.
Cat; good stats. Still sad.  |
04-08-2007, 09:32 AM
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Harsh; It's Easter, I'm going to give you a free pass on this one.
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Thanks.
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02/25/07 "There is no nonsense so errant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action." ~ Bertrand Russell, British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)
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Good link Sam I just found it.
Thanks for posting.
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10-03-2007, 12:14 AM
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They will get fucked over and cecome statistics and news storys in years to come. 30 second soun bites about how the VA cant cope, Youll get a view in depth artilces like on 60 minutes. The same motherfuckers sitting on the slimey shitty asses doing nothing but waving a flag will blow this off like they did any complaint about the cassulties. War is hell. This country will twice shit on these men. Compassion in the country is allmost nil.
Wil toby keith right a song about this shit? Doubt it.
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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest
Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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10-04-2007, 10:10 PM
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They will get fucked over and cecome statistics and news storys in years to come. 30 second soun bites about how the VA cant cope, Youll get a view in depth artilces like on 60 minutes. The same motherfuckers sitting on the slimey shitty asses doing nothing but waving a flag will blow this off like they did any complaint about the cassulties. War is hell. This country will twice shit on these men. Compassion in the country is allmost nil.
Wil toby keith right a song about this shit? Doubt it.
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This guy is a DUMB ASS.
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10-04-2007, 10:16 PM
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You know what look again I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
I am sure you did not mean this to sound as callous and mean as it did.
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10-05-2007, 02:28 PM
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calculator right hear...I will do the math, got the formulas fromt he article...
in Vietnam there were roughly:
153,303 seriously wounded
58,000 deaths
Iraq it is 1 for 16
roughly 3200 deaths to date
So does that mean 51,200 (roughly) wounded seriously in Iraq?
Ok, take the math further.
If we take the equivalant of the current war but in Vietnam era medical technology (scenerio) then we would come out with 19,690 dead by this point (at four years). By this time in 1968 there were (1964 being the Tonkin Gulf Resolution):
1964 206
1965 1,863
1966 6,143
1967 11,153
1968 16,592
(from the National Archives)
Close to 20,000-30,000 dead in four years depending on where the time line is ended at a demarkation of four years for both wars...
Seems to not support the far right wing, "hell, this 3000+ does not even compare, real light casualties."
What BS that is...death is death and casualties are casualties and all we are doing is creating more permenantly injured people that have to come back and live their lives. And honestly, we still do not really have a clear picture on what for.
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Can you get me a link for this information? I would like to study further! |
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