Homelessness in America

crowonapost · #61 (**permalink**) 01-03-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

Storman
What programs of FDR's got people out of the depression? The unemployment rate in 1941 was substantially the same as it was in 1932. It took WW2 to end the depression and put everyone back to work, some New Deal. The only thing the New Deal programs did was start us on this road to collectivism that I am afraid we will never leave.

Liberalism is nothing more than feel good policies designed to make liberals feel good about doing nothing of substance.

Yes liberals have different ideas than I do and no I don't think that makes them thugs, no more so than being a Republican and a Conservative makes one uncaring. I recognize that liberals think they are trying to help people but I also recognize that conservatives KNOW they are helping people. If I thought liberals were truly for freedom and helping the individual I would become one in a New York minute but I honestly do not believe that is their true goal.

Its like the Humane Society, they have no true interest in helping stray animals. Oh, some of the worker bees might but the people in charge absolutely not. They cannot keep up their status and their incomes if animal shelters were no longer necessary now could they? They want to see as many strays gassed as possible so they can run their sob stories about how these poor animals were put to death. The same is true of folks on welfare or in need of mental health assistance. If everyone had a job they would lose all purpose in life so its no longer enough to get someone a decent home and a job with potential, now they must have an apartment fit for royalty and a job paying better than average wages. When that happens they merely create more victims and more victims and more victims.

Liberals may not be thugs, not like union members, but they are not in business to actually help people.

What are you talking about?

Unemp.: Unemployment rate

Tax Federal GNP Unemp.
Year Receipts Spending Growth Rate
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1929 -- -- -- 3.2% < Hoover era, Great Depression begins
1930 4.2% 3.4% - 9.4% 8.7
1931 3.7 4.3 - 8.5 15.9
1932 2.9 7.0 -13.4 23.6
1933 3.5 8.1 - 2.1 24.9 < FDR, New Deal begins; contraction ends March
1934 4.9 10.8 + 7.7 21.7
1935 5.3 9.3 + 8.1 20.1
1936 5.1 10.6 +14.1 16.9
1937 6.2 8.7 + 5.0 14.3 < recession begins, May
1938 7.7 7.8 - 4.5 19.0 < recession ends, June
1939 7.2 10.4 + 7.9 17.2
1940 6.9 9.9
1941 7.7 12.1
1942 10.3 24.8
1943 13.7 44.8
1944 21.7 45.3
1945 21.3 43.7

As you can see, Roosevelt began relatively modest deficit spending that arrested the slide of the economy and resulted in some astonishing growth numbers. (Roosevelt's average growth of 5.2 percent during the Great Depression is even higher than Reagan's 3.7 percent growth during his so-called "Seven Fat Years!") When 1936 saw a phenomenal record of 14 percent growth, Roosevelt eased back on the deficit spending, overly worried about balancing the budget. But this only caused the economy to slip back into a recession, as the above chart shows.

justme · #62 (**permalink**) 01-03-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

JM

"L" okay - your "support" sandwiched with insults and ramblings about blaming Bush addressed to me were bizarre at best.

Anyway my support is not related to Bush/politics or any political statement.I was involved at this at a grassroots level and will continue to stay involved-really compared to most I do very little -just one day per year and a small monetary donation.

It was only you and NF who brought politics/Bush into support of a veterans organization and discussion of homeless. You might want to review the thread for clarification.

Don't know why it surprises me but YOU are the one that needs clarification. There were no ramblings about blaming Bush or any insults aimed at you. Well, maybe the "fluffing the numbers" statement.
The 2 links provided were to COOKIES posts bringing GWB/politics into the discussion.
Perhaps she is the one needing clarification. Sheesh

StormanNorman · #63 (**permalink**) 01-04-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

Storman
What programs of FDR's got people out of the depression? The unemployment rate in 1941 was substantially the same as it was in 1932. It took WW2 to end the depression and put everyone back to work, some New Deal. The only thing the New Deal programs did was start us on this road to collectivism that I am afraid we will never leave.

I'll ask my dad for specifics, but I've heard him say that many times. And, like Crow said, I think your statement that the unemployment rate in 1941 was substantially the same as it was in 1932 is incorrect. According to the graph (see link), the unemployment rate topped out between 23% and 26% in 1932. Then declined every year except for 1938 and was between 5% and 7% by 1941.
The Great Depression

Heckler · #64 (**permalink**) 01-04-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

Well, I guess I hit a nerve since you have resorted to name calling. Liberal programs NEVER work. NEVER. They are always feel good programs that are used to create more victims.
Show me one program that liberals put in place that they are willing to claim as a success. Every single program from Social Security to the so called War on Poverty has done nothing in the long run except create a need for more more more more more more more taxes.

Liberalism is tantamount to thuggery

Yeah, you hit a nerve with your ridiculous crap about liberals and liberal programs....like your last sentence here. Norman said "silly" which you reacted to better than my saying it was stupid.

Your last sentence here is just plain stupid. Period.

Actually, for me, I was being very civil...

crowonapost · #65 (**permalink**) 01-04-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Heckler

Yeah, you hit a nerve with your ridiculous crap about liberals and liberal programs....like your last sentence here. Norman said "silly" which you reacted to better than my saying it was stupid.

Your last sentence here is just plain stupid. Period.

Actually, for me, I was being very civil...

I didn't really pay much attention to that last line until you brought it up.

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Nate
Liberalism is tantamount to thuggery

But it is funny if you start to think about it. I'm thinking of all the Republitards on here (no Nate you don't really go down this direction ) that equate libs with weak wrists & faggoty group commie love & I'm think how can the 'pink posse' be thugs?

What would it be a mass forced complete make over?

"You hair is awful, get em' boys."

Heckler · #66 (**permalink**) 01-04-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crowonapost

But it is funny if you start to think about it. I'm thinking of all the Republitards on here (no Nate you don't really go down this direction ) that equate libs with weak wrists & faggoty group commie love & I'm think how can the 'pink posse' be thugs?

What would it be a mass forced complete make over?

"You hair is awful, get em' boys."

Well, now that you've put it in the proper light, yeah, it's hilarious!!!

...love that last line!

You crack me up Crow! thanks for the laugh!