So basically, Hawkins is stating that both evolution and intelligent design have merit because neither can be completely proven or disproven. Actually, I personally believe evolution and ID are one in the same.

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This is exactly where you were wrong on another thread when you said that this had to do with religion. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION... Even the Catholic Church officially endorses the theory as the origins of the universe. BUT not the beginning of life even in it's most basic forms it wasn't until after the bang occurred that the universe begin cool as Newton explains with his theories that certain materials through gravity came together and created (most importantly stars) but at this point in the big game you only the basic element (i.e. that chart you've forgotten from high school) but the element in most abundant supply were hydrogen and helium, which powered the stars.

Now as a human or an insect other forms of life, a star has a life cycle. What is critical about the origins of life is that wasn't until billions of years after the bang that these stars began burning through their fuel and at this point star expands, becomes hotter then retracts into a tiny object that is infinitely dense (like dom and nathan, woops not that kind of dense) at this point it's known as a white dwarf. It is when this star reaches critical mass that he exploded in what is referred to as a Super Nova, what is critical about these events is that at the point of Nova the heat generated creates knew elements, heavier element i.e. the rest of elements that we know of today and the building blocks for life including O2 and Carbon.

These go hurdling through space with the lighter elements creating gas giants as well as "heavier" planets like Mercury, Venus and Earth.

This is cradle of life... and it didn't take 6 fucking days and has known "intelligence" guiding it that can't be explained through physics. We can still hear radio signals that originated at the big bang. That is the TRUE voice of a god, if you will... not burning fucking bush.

So there is your connection to evolution, life and intelligent design. I tried to dumb it down for you Nathan as much as possible because I understand that you aren't that bright. Oh, and didn't you say that I don't debate? What the fuck do you call this?

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Well, first of all, when a star retracts into a white dwarf it is not infinitely dense, it has a very high density. White dwarfs do not become novas, it is supergiant stars that become supernovae.

Supernovae are extremly rare, in our galaxy that has 400,000,000,000 stars in it, a supernova occurs once every few hundred years. I doubt that even a few billion years after the Big Bang, that supernovae and perhaps hypernovae for that matter would form when the Universe was still millions of degrees

What caused the merging of elements was probably a white dwarf shelling off it's superhot matter into space where it undergoes all sorts of subatomic phenomena that could create those elements.

If it was indeed a supernova that created life, then the intense radiation would either kill all the bacteria that were created or mutate them.

And finally, a lot of Roman Catholics see that the Six Days of Genesis is probably a biblical metaphor, few theologians actually conceive that it actually took six days less than 10,000 years ago:

1st Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates Light
Scientific Meaning: God starts the Big Bang, and he creates the stars and the Earth. 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001855 of a second to 4,590,000,000 years ago.

2nd Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates Oceans and Sky.
Scientific Meaning: God creates expanse by separating Oceans and making the Sky. 4,000,000,000 years ago to 3,700,000,000 years ago.

And finally, a lot of Roman Catholics see that the Six Days of Genesis is probably a biblical metaphor, few theologians actually conceive that it actually took six days less than 10,000 years ago, although the timeline is a little inaccurate:

1st Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates Light
Scientific Meaning: God starts the Big Bang, and he creates the stars and the Earth. 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001855 of a second to 4,590,000,000 years ago.

2nd Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates Oceans and Sky.
Scientific Meaning: God creates expanse by separating Oceans and making the Sky. 4,000,000,000 years ago to 3,900,000,000 years ago.

3rd Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates Land.
Scientific Meaning: God creates continents. 3,850,000,000 years ago to 3,500,000,000 years ago.

4th Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates plants.
Scientific Meaning: God makes vegetation. 3,490,000,000 years ago to 3,000,000,000 years ago.

5th Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates the "greater light and the lesser light and the stars".
Scientific Meaning: God makes the Sun more luminous, and rams an asteroid into Earth creating the Moon, and he creates the stars. 10,000,000,000 years ago to 4,000,000,000 years ago.

6th Day:
Theological Meaning: God creates creatures to roam the Earth as well as Adam and Eve.
Scientific Meaning: God creates bacteria and uses Evolution to mold them into more intelligent life to the point where he designs Adam and Eve and designate Mankind as the race meant to rule the Earth. 3,500,000,000 years ago to 100,000 years ago.

Although there are a few inaccuracies it mixes theological explanation with science.

I actually call it being stupidly condescending since you don't address the issue of "big bang" at all.

You are aware that the "Big Bang" theory is rapidly gaining acceptance in the scientific community. The theory itself has absolutely nothing to do with religion beyond the fact that it is closer to Genesis than the steady state theory. Big Bang has no connection to evolution and to my knowledge has never been tied to evolution prior to your post. Big Bang Theory does not claim that the entire universe as we know it today took place in 6 days, it claims that all of the matter in the univese was released in one giant mega super explosion. A position, by the way, you argued for several months ago.

So, given your last statement that we can still hear radio signals that originated at the "big bang" do you believe in it or not? In absolutely none of my postings on this subject did I make the statement that the universe was created in 6 days or that the big bang takes the place of evolution. I did say in a previous post that I did not see much difference in the theory of the Big Bang and the Biblical quotation "God said let there be light".

As far as the fact that the Catholic Church endorses the concept of the Big Bang has no bearing on its truth or falsity. The name "Big Bang" was first used by Fred Hoyle an English astrophysicist who used the name in an effort to discredit it. Pope Piux XII in 1951 did call a Vatican conference in an attempt to link Lemaitre's "primeval atom" theory with theology but Lemaitre himself took steps to stop that.

Lemaitre took Einstein's equations in relativity and showed how they provided the basis for a non static universe, i.e. one with a begining and presumably an ending. Einstein of course believed in a steady state, always was, always will be concept. When confronted with not only Lemaitre's research but also the Russian Alexander Friedman's Einstein created a "fudge factor" called the cosmological constant to account for the apparent expansion demonstrated in the "red shift" discovered in 1914 by Vesto Slipher.

I believe the earth was not created in six 24 hour earth days. There is far too much evidence to the contrary. I don't think this necessarily negates the Bible since we don't know what constitutes a "day" in a non universe. How does one measure time when nothing exist?

I believe that God created the Universe. I don't believe it only took 144 earth based hours. I believe that God is the Master Mason and the guiding force behind all science. I also believe we will never understand everything about the function of the universe, to do so would make us God and that we will never be.


Please note I did not use a single word of profanity or condescension. I stated my case with facts not emotion. That is what I call debate.

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Nathan... I'm struggling to understand what you point is? What is your thesis i.e. what are you challenging me on?

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I am not challanging you on anything except to point out the fact you will attack me no matter what I say. I knew from previous post that you believed in the Big Bang. I also knew you would step in your own shit to attack me for even bring up the topic.

Had you read my first post and sincerely tried to understand it we would have made history and actually agreed on an issue. Instead you had to pretend you were the superior intellect and attack me.

No need for apologiies, they won't be accepted anyway

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We don't agree... you don't see the connection between the creation of the heavier elements in the foundry of the super-nova and it's connect with the creation of life.

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LOL LOL LOL
what an ass you are. This entire thread had nothing to do with supernovas or heavier elements or the creation of life. And you are too dimwitted to see that

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