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Old 11-19-2007, 03:44 PM
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More of a Halton Arp type, so I'm a milder form of Hoyle and Gold.

But seriously, the reason why I want a good cosmological debate isn't so much to argue the points to infinity (many threads online already beat that horse to death), but wanting all three sides to discuss their points efficiently; as either the Big Bang is discussed solely upon "scientific" grounds or religiously. Believe there's more room at the table than just black and white thinking between the poles. Interested in reading/discussing more than just statistics/equations | bible/scripture, like why with all the tools mankind has he still can't answer the basics like, "where DID I come from and why?"
YOU CAME FROM YOUR MOTHERS TWAT ....through your dads cock .....WHY..........GOD ONLY KNOWS .....MAYBE YOUR DAD LIKED TO FUCK WOMEN

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Old 11-19-2007, 03:45 PM
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It is certainly much easier to accept Big Bang if you are a Christian than the steady state model but Big Bang is not inherently religious in nature.
Until you read/listen to the militant atheist like Dawkins, and his "call to arms"...

TED | Talks | Richard Dawkins: An atheist's call to arms (video)

Too many want to divorce themselves from the religious war aspect of these Origins debate, until their faced with the skeletons in the closet.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:48 PM
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YOU CAME FROM YOUR MOTHERS TWAT ....through your dads cock
At least I was reproduced naturally. What's your excuse again?

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Old 11-19-2007, 04:36 PM
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At least I was reproduced naturally. What's your excuse again?

At least I was reproduced naturally. What's your excuse again?

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Old 11-19-2007, 05:16 PM
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You were hatched not born, as your momma is a fat white duck, that goes around henpecking roosters, which is why you now do the same!
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:24 AM
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More of a Halton Arp type, so I'm a milder form of Hoyle and Gold.

But seriously, the reason why I want a good cosmological debate isn't so much to argue the points to infinity (many threads online already beat that horse to death), but wanting all three sides to discuss their points efficiently; as either the Big Bang is discussed solely upon "scientific" grounds or religiously. Believe there's more room at the table than just black and white thinking between the poles. Interested in reading/discussing more than just statistics/equations | bible/scripture, like why with all the tools mankind has he still can't answer the basics like, "where DID I come from and why?"

IMHO, the Big Bang Theory (so named by Hoyle himself because it could be construed to be religious in nature) is much more scientific than religious. Even Lemaitre would not allow it to become a religious argument (he was, after all a Jesuit and they thrive on being just Catholic enough to avoid excommunication). I have to take exception that its being rammed down anyone's throat. It has its adherents and its detracters with neither side claiming the other side is the spawn of the devil. I believe from my readings that BBT is gaining more acceptance in the scientific community because it answers questions about the expanding univese that steady state does not.

As a Christian I personally find BBT to be more acceptable than Static and Unchanging. BBT does not specifically state the univese was created by God, only that it was created in an instant and is constantly expanding.

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Old 11-20-2007, 02:38 PM
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No, Nathan, they just wanted a theory to replace God with their own version of a "miracle". Much like replacing Christmas with Santa Claus.
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No, Nathan, they just wanted a theory to replace God with their own version of a "miracle". Much like replacing Christmas with Santa Claus.
What if the whole Genesis thing maybe a biblical metaphor for the Big Bang.

I mean, George Lamaitre, was a devout Catholic.

There must be some sort of hidden spiritual meaning to Creation, I don't mean to be biblically arrogant to all you atheists/agnostics.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:44 AM
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What if the whole Genesis thing maybe a biblical metaphor for the Big Bang.

I mean, George Lamaitre, was a devout Catholic.

There must be some sort of hidden spiritual meaning to Creation, I don't mean to be biblically arrogant to all you atheists/agnostics.
There must be some sort of hidden spiritual meaning to Creation,

After he had journeyed,
And his feet were sore,
And he was tired,
He came upon an orange grove
And he rested
And he lay in the cool,
And while he rested, he took to himself an orange and tasted it,
And it was good.
And he felt the earth to his spine,
And he asked, and he saw the tree above him, and the stars,
And the veins in the leaf,
And the light, and the balance.
And he saw magnificent perfection,
Whereon he thought of himself in balance,
And he knew he was.

Just open your eyes,
And realize, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart
And that's a start.

And he thought of those he angered,
For he was not a violent man,
And he thought of those he hurt
For he was not a cruel man
And he thought of those he frightened
For he was not an evil man,
And he understood.
He understood himself.

Upon this he saw that when he was of anger or knew hurt or felt fear,
It was because he was not understanding,
And he learned, compassion.

And with his eye of compassion.
He saw his enemies like unto himself,
And he learned love.
Then, he was answered.

Just open your eyes,
And realize, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart
And that's a start.

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Old 11-27-2007, 01:43 PM
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Stephen Hawking, in his book, A Brief History of Time, stated that:

"a theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model which contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations, ny physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis; you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single observation which disagrees with the predictions of the theory".

So therefore, because Evolution, the Big Bang and Genesis are all hypothetical theories that are all equally right as they are wrong.

Take M-theory or string theory. In which the "m" can stand for anything such as mother, membrane or magic, and that means a variety of things, specifically including that the Universe was made from these interdimensional giant membranes that collided at the point of the Big Bang. String theory proposes that incredibly tiny ten dimensional strings about 10-43 meters, or Planck size vibrate and make up all matter.

Yet, we haven't found some sort of device that monitors giant celestial membranes or we can't make a microscope that can look at that sort of distance. Just as we can't find out if Genesis occured or not or Evolution is true.
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