Thread: Abortion and UHC Poll, actually with poll this time!

It looks like they are going full steam trying to pass their corrupt UHC plans, and the abortion nazis are pressing hard to get TAXPAYERS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES TO PAY FOR IT ALL which means a significantly higher price per premium than WITHOUT IT.

Please feel free to leave suggestions and demonstrate examples of your reasoning.

of course it should be covered.

its medical procedure used to treat a medical condition.
its perfectly legal.
its cost effective.
and since everyone pays into UHC we shouldn't tell a majority of the country they can't have their medical procedure covered b/c others don't like it.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

of course it should be covered.

its medical procedure used to treat a medical condition.
its perfectly legal.
its cost effective.
and since everyone pays into UHC we shouldn't tell a majority of the country they can't have their medical procedure covered b/c others don't like it.

A) pregnacy is not considered a medical condition, and certainly not a negetive one, and abortion is ending a life, which by simple logic canot be a medical procedure
B) abortion (elective) is obviously an elective and un-nessecry procedure, and thus should not be paid for by anyone other then those who have it preformed. saying otherwise is like promoting taxpayer funded breast augmentations (in cases other then dangerously large breasts)
C) a lot of people do not want to pay for executions or the military, this objection is as if not more valid then those
D) pro-choicers always trot out that idiotic line "if you don't like abortion dont have one". this basicly outlines that those who oppose abortion on a moral/legal/other standing should not have to be involved in them.

trying to say that a pro-life individual should pay for an abortion is like trying to tell a normal person that they should fund a death-squad

Originally Posted by thedocy

A) pregnacy is not considered a medical condition,
yes it is. are you kidding me???
and certainly not a negetive one,
depends on the pregnancy
and abortion is ending a life, which by simple logic canot be a medical procedure
abortion is terminating pregnancy, a medical condition.
B) abortion (elective) is obviously an elective and un-nessecry procedure, and thus should not be paid for by anyone other then those who have it preformed. saying otherwise is like promoting taxpayer funded breast augmentations (in cases other then dangerously large breasts)
and what is prenatal and delivery?
are you telling me those aren't elective?
they can elect to not get pregnant. they can elect to abort and save everyone money in the process
micromastia isn't considered a medical condition, but pregnancy is.
C) a lot of people do not want to pay for executions or the military, this objection is as if not more valid then those
D) pro-choicers always trot out that idiotic line "if you don't like abortion dont have one". this basicly outlines that those who oppose abortion on a moral/legal/other standing should not have to be involved in them.
they aren't. they are'nt having them themselves. they pay into an insurance plan that covers them. 83% of private ones already do. we need to work to make it 100% and create a public option with it
trying to say that a pro-life individual should pay for an abortion is like trying to tell a normal person that they should fund a death-squad

okay - so what if I think blood transfusions are a sin?
can I petition to not have them covered under UHC?
I can't pay for a sin, right?

how about if I keep kosher - no medication made with pig products, no pig valves for heart patients, no skin grafts from swine, ect

how about birthcontrol?
what if I think god is against that?

or if I say I don't want to abort, can I be denied an epideral?
many consider it a sin to use pain relievers during childbirth

can scientologists oppose all psychiatric care and procedures?

where do you draw the line?
why should all these people partake in sin?
why shouldn't people get to control the medical choices of everyone else?

Pregnancy is a 'medical condition'....like having swine flu? Like having a broken arm?

Well here we go everyone, pregnancy is a 'medical condition' and an abortion is a 'medical procedure' because they said so!

The word 'medical' has lost its meaning on someone. It's a HUGE insult to people who actually have 'medical conditions'. A pregnancy is a 'condition' but it is not in the same classification of 'medical ' condition as 99% of what else constitutes a 'medical condition'.

A 'medical condition' in 99.9999% of cases means something is WRONG. A pregnancy is what the female body is DESIGNED TO DO.

Originally Posted by Shermana

Pregnancy is a 'medical condition'....like having swine flu? Like having a broken arm?

Well here we go everyone, pregnancy is a 'medical condition' and an abortion is a 'medical procedure' because they said so!

The word 'medical' has lost its meaning on someone. It's a HUGE insult to people who actually have 'medical conditions'. A pregnancy is a 'condition' but it is not in the same classification of 'medical ' condition as 99% of what else constitutes a 'medical condition'.

A 'medical condition' in 99.9999% of cases means something is WRONG. A pregnancy is what the female body is DESIGNED TO DO.

so what is pregnancy in your world?
in the real world and by medical standards it a medical condition.

what is abortion then?
to everyone else its a medical procedure.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

so what is pregnancy in your world?
in the real world and by medical standards it a medical condition.

what is abortion then?
to everyone else its a medical procedure.

I explained it, it's a condition a woman is DESIGNED TO BE IN. Who is 'everyone else?" the Same people who want to tell me to take the swine flu vaccine and that global warming is real? Who is everyone else wolf ? You can call it a medical procedure if you want, I can call it a murder of a fetus as well. Your idea of a 'medical procedure ' is scissoring and vacuuming out a breathing fetus into a jar. Everyone take note. To all people who have life-saving medical proc edures (less than .1% of abortions are 'life saving), you insult them GRAVELY when you give fetalcide the same classification. It's only a "medical procredure' because there's doctors and scissors involved and the secular medical establishment in the WEST agreed it to be.

Everyone else? Hardly, wolf. Maybe in this country, 'everyone' is 'everyone in the secular 'medical' establishment.

You calling it a medical condition implies it is something wrong, like a broken arm is a medical condition, like a flu is a medical condition, like retardation is a medical condition, you can't grasp that because you think pregnancy is something wrong as well. It's a condition, all right. It's a condition like eating a lot of chocolate makes you fat, well, having sex is DESIGNED to make a woman enter a condition called "PREGNANCY".

A "Medical Condition" implies an ILLNESS OR INJURY.

Originally Posted by Shermana

I explained it, it's a condition a woman is DESIGNEDF TO BE IN.

You calling it a medical condition implies it is something wrong, like a broken arm is a medical condition, like a flu is a medical condition, like retardation is a medical condition, you can't grasp that because you think pregnancy is something wrong as well.

okay, its great that you want to create your own definations.

but in the real world pregnancy is amedical condition. good or bad or neutral.

the two largest medical care options for pregnancy is abortion and prenatal care followed and concluded with delivery.

feel free to address the issues I posted to Docy about what other procedures are 'sinful' and 'immoral' depending on who you speak to.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

okay, its great that you want to create your own definations.

but in the real world pregnancy is amedical condition. good or bad or neutral.

the two largest medical care options for pregnancy is abortion and prenatal care followed and concluded with delivery.

feel free to address the issues I posted to Docy about what other procedures are 'sinful' and 'immoral' depending on who you speak to.

At best pregnancy is considered 'planned illness' to health insurance.....

How funny, they call it 'planned'.............................

Originally Posted by wolf_22

so what is pregnancy in your world?
in the real world and by medical standards it a medical condition.

what is abortion then?
to everyone else its a medical procedure.

pregncy is a "condtion of existence", it is as much of a medical condition as life. so unless every living person has a major medical condition, pregnancy is not one