Thread: Never a justification for abortion? Euthanasia?

Couldn't some acts of abortion or euthanasia be considered acts of kindness, or for the greater good?

Parents cope with child with schizophrenia - Los Angeles Times

If this child's situation could be diagnosed prior to birth, what is being learned by encouraging her continued existence?

Originally Posted by OneDumbBlonde

Couldn't some acts of abortion or euthanasia be considered acts of kindness, or for the greater good?

Parents cope with child with schizophrenia - Los Angeles Times

If this child's situation could be diagnosed prior to birth, what is being learned by encouraging her continued existence?

No because this nation was founded upon individual rights, not the dispensation of individual rights for the "greater good". If you lived in a collectivist society where the individual only had what rights the government said that they had, then anything could be done with anyone for "the greater good". Look at history, it has happened over and over. The people who beleived in dispensing with individual rights for the greater good are easily identified because their names are inevetably followed by the number of millions that they killed in the name of the greater good.

Originally Posted by OneDumbBlonde

Couldn't some acts of abortion or euthanasia be considered acts of kindness, or for the greater good?

If this child's situation could be diagnosed prior to birth, what is being learned by encouraging her continued existence?

Hitler anyone?

In October 1939, Nazi Leader Adolf Hitler issued an order, written in his own hand, ordering the extermination of those who were considered "unworthy of life." The order, entitled "The Destruction of Lives Unworthy of Life," stated that patients "considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, be accorded a mercy death".

Who is worthy to decide who is worthy or unworthy of life?

Abortion on demand has helped breed a Culture of Death not unlike Hitler's, if allowed to run its course.

For the record I do not support these Utopian wars and corrupt governments, either. More Culture of Death.

Nice. Another moron playing the Hitler card. Godwin's law, anyone?

Originally Posted by Towelie

Nice. Another moron playing the Hitler card. Godwin's law, anyone?

In typical form, you don't have a clue. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be accurate and appropriate that Godwin, himself, has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Now do feel free to explain how the analogy isn't valid and thus justify your invocation of godwin's law.

Originally Posted by PaleRider

In typical form, you don't have a clue. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be accurate and appropriate that Godwin, himself, has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Now do feel free to explain how the analogy isn't valid and thus justify your invocation of godwin's law.

It's not accurate at all, douchebag. What part of "born alive" don't you understand?

There is a clear difference between an early-term fetus and an already born person.

[quote=Towelie;1389968]It's not accurate at all, douchebag. What part of "born alive" don't you understand?{/quote]

You keep saying born alive as if it were some sort of talisman. A child isn't anyting before it is born that it wasn't after it is born other than older and more mature. It is a human being from its first moment as we do not undergo any sort of metamorphosis.

Originally Posted by Towelie

There is a clear difference between an early-term fetus and an already born person.

There is a clear difference between a newborn and an old geezer as well even though both are the same thing. Human beings. The fact that you are unable, or unwilling to wrap your mind around the fact that you have been a human being since the time you were concieved and will continue to be a human being even after you die does not alter the fact a bit. It only defines your own sad mental limitations.

Originally Posted by aerial

Who is worthy to decide who is worthy or unworthy of life?

Nature.

The natural order of things, is that a child grows up and becomes an adult. A parent is only responsible for the child/parent relationship up to the age of maturity. No one but the parents that brought the child into the world, has a responsibility for a child's inability to take on the responsibility for becoming an adult.

Originally Posted by Towelie

Nice. Another moron playing the Hitler card. Godwin's law, anyone?

Well, just pull out your "It's Not a Person" card. No need for ad hominem.

Originally Posted by aerial

Well, just pull out your "It's Not a Person" card. No need for ad hominem.

A fetus isn't a person. I have proof:

In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

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Since a fetus hasn't yet been "born alive," it's not legally a "person."