Abortion

PaleRider · #**101** (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Palerider if at this moment Row vs wade was overturned and abortion was illegal do you think legislation of any other type of taxes would be necessary. For example if we found we needed more $ for support services for teen moms or education or healthcare for children would you be willing to pay more taxes?

That in no way justifies abortion I am interested because some people lobby for a cause but do not really want to make any personal changes.

Are there any independent studies to show what we need as a society for this transition. I believe abortion is a human rights issue but I also believe how little our society does for foster children and child abuse is a human rights issue.

I admire your fortitude and I agree with a lot of what you say just I think there may be a better way to accomplish your goal. Also I think preemptive wars and nuclear weapons are humans rights issues with probably more humans mangled and murdered than abortion.(Although that does not lessen the abortion cause. I think it comes cown to we all only have so much time and energy and we put our efforts to the cause that cuts deep into our soul.

If you want to look at abortion as it affects taxes, you should first look at the state of social security and why it is going broke. The number of workers that is supporting each and every retiree is dropping and has been dropping for some time. Consider the loss of 40+ million contributors to the system and what their absence has caused.

If Roe were overturned today, the issue would fall to the states and while there would be some states that would forbid abortion in all its forms, the majority would allow termination if the mother's life were in danger. I doubt, however, that even the most liberal of states would allow abortion on demand as it is today.

I also believe that you wrongly assume that the rate of unwanted pregnancy would continue as it is today if abortion were outlawed. Contrary to what most of the liberal persuasion believe, people do respond when they are faced with genuine consequences for their actions. I don't doubt that there would still be unwanted pregnancy, and I also don't doubt that the numbers of unwanted pregnancies would drop considerably.

r8dmarshall · #**102** (**permalink**) 07-05-2006, 06:45 PM

Here it is, the cyclic syndrome, (all of nothing, yes or no)

When powers change the law changes. When will it be obvious that a new criterior should be made. I don't want to retype it, but check out cyclic syndrome.

PaleRider · #**103** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by r8dmarshall

Here it is, the cyclic syndrome, (all of nothing, yes or no)

When powers change the law changes. When will it be obvious that a new criterior should be made. I don't want to retype it, but check out cyclic syndrome.

This isn't necessarily true, especially in the case of human rights violations. We certainly aren't likely to cycle our way back to jim crowe bathrooms and water fountains or slavery. Abortion is a human rights violation plain and simple and once we are done with it, we can only hope that we don't cycle our way back to the bad old days.

Areyouforreal · #**104** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 08:36 AM

Abortion unless for rape or the safety of the mother is wrong. You have consented sex you might get pregnate it is basic sex education. Parents and communities need to start teaching, raising and disiplining their children then and only then can things really change. For the past 50 yrs the US has been on a downhill moral slope. I believe the fault lies with the parents not doing their job regardless what anyone says. I DID NOT say to beat your child but dicipline is needed. With the government interfering and parents not teaching their kids right from wrong what do you expect. America needs to WAKE UP, stop blaming everyone else for their problems, and show some responsibility for their own actions

melchizedek22 · #**105** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 08:46 AM

Its completely naive to think by making abortion illegal again,that,thats the end of abortions.
The reality is,abortions would return to those glorious days,of some jerkoff
with a coathanger in a dirty apartment,doing the abortions,instead of in
a sanitary clinic.
Its a necessary evil,of modern society,sad to say.

Areyouforreal · #**106** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 09:30 AM

It is only a necessary evil because people do not like to be held accountable fot their actions.

PaleRider · #**107** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by melchizedek22

Its completely naive to think by making abortion illegal again,that,thats the end of abortions.
The reality is,abortions would return to those glorious days,of some jerkoff
with a coathanger in a dirty apartment,doing the abortions,instead of in
a sanitary clinic.
Its a necessary evil,of modern society,sad to say.

Is the fact that keeping armed robbery or murder illegal is never going to stop all armed robberies or murders sufficient reason to remove the laws from the books?

Arguments like this are so poorly thought out that it would be best if you didn't even make them in public.

And the "glorious" days of coathanger abortions were made up. The founder of NARAL (the man who invented the myth) as admitted that there never were any good old coathanger days and that goebbels was right when he said that if you repeat a thing (coathanger) enough, eventually it becomes the truth. I have no doubt that you actually believe this even though there isn't a shred of evidence to support it.

By the way, far more women have died from "safe and sanitary" legal abortions than ever died from illegal abortions. Most of the illegal abortions were performed by the very doctors who opened abortion clinics when the practice became legal.

Tell me, do you believe that slavery was a necessary evil in its time?

Chateauroux · #**108** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 12:19 PM

The Christian Taliban not only want abortion to be illegal in ALL cases (South Dakota is an example), they want all forms of birth contral done away with. Hell! If they had their way, they'd only allow the missionary position during sex and even outlaw sex unless it was to procreate. God save us from the zealot crazies!

Areyouforreal · #**109** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chateauroux

The Christian Taliban not only want abortion to be illegal in ALL cases (South Dakota is an example), they want all forms of birth contral done away with. Hell! If they had their way, they'd only allow the missionary position during sex and even outlaw sex unless it was to procreate. God save us from the zealot crazies!

That's actually funny. I am a Christian and believe abortion should be legal for rape, sexual abuse, and tha safety of the mother. Also I believe in birth control. It keeps the idiot rate down. And Last while the missionary position is nice I also like 69, 77 it is ate(8)more than 69, spoon, standing and other positions as well.

funktacular · #**110** (**permalink**) 07-06-2006, 02:00 PM

The Christian Taliban not only want abortion to be illegal in ALL cases (South Dakota is an example), they want all forms of birth contral done away with. Hell! If they had their way, they'd only allow the missionary position during sex and even outlaw sex unless it was to procreate. God save us from the zealot crazies!

Hopefully your genepool will be aborted out of exsistence. It is because of liberals like this sometimes I think we need abortion. I would'nt even know what to tell my kids if I was pro-baby killing. It probably would go like this "kids when you first came into exsistence you weren't worth shit and I could of easliy chopped of your head if I wanted too, just because of because, but I choose not to exercise that right, your lucky I wasn't in a bad mood."