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if the bill is changed so it doesn't effect the legality of abortion - no one will take issue with supporting it.
very convienent for you to leave out the reason why people disliked the bill.
Obama On Premature Babies--- THEY'RE NOT HUMAN
Obama Defends Infantacide
YouTube - Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA
Newly obtained documents prove that in 2003, Barack Obama, as chairman of an IL state Senate committee, voted down a bill to protect live-born survivors of abortion.
Here is a copy of the committee roll call vote:
The right hand column shows the roll call by which Obama and his Democratic colleagues then killed the amended bill - the bill that was virtually identical to the federal law that Obama, starting in 2004, claimed he would have supported if he'd had the opportunity.
(Jill Stanek Jill Stanek - Breaking news: New documents show Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill and NLRC http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/Obama...endedBAIPA.htm )
Barack Obama killed a bill in the Illinois State Senate that would have protected liveborn babies after they survived an abortion.
Again, Obama killed the bill.
Since that time he has frequently misrepresented himself on this issue.
Jill Stanek Jill Stanek - Breaking news: New documents show Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill reported on this gruesome news, via Michelle Malkin: Michelle Malkin Obama’s abortion lies
In 2000, the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was first introduced in Congress. This was a two-paragraph bill intended to clarify that any baby who is entirely expelled from his or her mother, and who shows any signs of life, is to be regarded as a legal "person" for all federal law purposes, whether or not the baby was born during an attempted abortion...
Barack Obama, as a member of the IL State Senate, actively opposed a state version of this bill during three successive regular legislative sessions...
The bill that Chairman Obama killed, as amended, was virtually identical to the federal law (that passed 98-0 in the US Senate); the only remaining differences were on minor points of bill-drafting style... The uncovering of the Senate Committee Action Report and the contemporary Associated Press report shed new light on Senator Obama's four-year effort to cover up his real record of refusing to protect live-born survivors of abortion.
Sick.
It's even worse that he has been lying about this since 2004.
Text of H.R. 1082: Safe Babies Act of 2007
GovTrack: H.R. 1082: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House
GovTrack: H.R. 1082: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House
GovTrack: H.R. 1082: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House
Obama Pro Infantacide video
YouTube - Obama Guilty Of Infanticide? The Killing Of Born Babies By Live Birth Induced Labor Abortion Video
if the bill is changed so it doesn't effect the legality of abortion - no one will take issue with supporting it.
very convienent for you to leave out the reason why people disliked the bill.
Planned Parenthood does more in a single day to prevent the need for abortion than anti-choice protesters do in a lifetime.
I will not raise my child to kill another mother's child
"There's a place in hell reserved for women who don't help other women." -Madeline Albright -
Really?????!!!Originally Posted by wolf_22
YouTube - Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA
Which Part Of This Bill Don't You Agree With!? This should be entertaining!!! GovTrack: H.R. 1082: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House
I cant help but notice that you didnt vote in this poll.
Last edited by Toby; 08-24-2008 at 03:01 PM.
Political Novice
Isn't this just a case of the US prolifers sensationalizing the whole issue in their ongoing attempts to overthrow Roe vs. Wade?
It's more a question of whether this kind of political gameplaying is going to work with Americans to defeat Obama. Will this change the minds of any pro-choice people. It seems it will.
Pro life or pro choice. Eather way we shouldent let children that are born alive die in the name of Roe v Wade. Furthermore any one who does advocate the death of infants shouldent really be taken seriously as a candidate. The right to life (after birth) should not be legally striped away from anyone. If it is then all other rights are in serious jepardy. Are you also going to reuse to vote in this poll?
Last edited by Toby; 08-24-2008 at 03:02 PM.
I voted.
I read obama's resposnse to his vote- and I fully agree with him.
even the greatest bill can be thrown out on language alone.
legal precedences are a serious issue.
I voted 'other'. write up a bill that keep abortion safe and legal, while athorizing care being given to any infants living after an attempted abortion - and I'll support it 100%
Planned Parenthood does more in a single day to prevent the need for abortion than anti-choice protesters do in a lifetime.
I will not raise my child to kill another mother's child
"There's a place in hell reserved for women who don't help other women." -Madeline Albright -
So what part of this bill is illegal? >> GovTrack: H.R. 1082: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House
What part of this bill will bring the legality in to question? >> GovTrack: H.R. 1082: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House
What pat of this bill dont you agree with? >> GovTrack: H.R. 1082: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House
Note that only 15 people opposed the born alive infants protection act in the house and it passed with a voice vote (non electronic/ just yea's + nays) in the senate. THE NATIONAL ABORTION RIGHTS LEAGUE DIDNT EVEN OPPOSE THIS BILL! So what part of the bill dont you agree with?
Like im going to get a direct answer anyway
Machiavelli Incarnate
So we see what is more important to you libs and it anit the life of a child. Wow ya'll blow me away with your distorted sense of importance. I mean ya a womans right to choose but to ya'll nothing else is important period. Selfish and selfcentered much.
When you came into this world you cried.
Live your life so that when you die.
The world cries. the shadow
Machiavelli Incarnate
Do we really, and I mean really, need legislation to authorize care for infants? Really?
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