Thread: Question For Anti-Abortion People

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

These people are only a few. Most people think differently.

These are medical school textbooks and highly respected peer reviewed medical journals. What most people think is completely irrelavent. Most people used to "think" that the earth was flat, and that the universe revolved around the earth, and that the moon and sun were gods that rode across the heavens on chariots. People have a long and illustrious history of being wrong in what they think.

Either prove that unborns are not living human beings or give up this obviously flawed defense of your position.

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

A fetus is not a person. How many times must we tell you this?

You can tell me any number of times and it means nothing. Prove it if you can.

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

In most cases, the fetus doesn't even have brain matter, so it cannot be considered a person anyway.

Again, you couldn't be more wrong. A child born without a brain is considered to be a person under the law. They are issued birth certificates and death certificates and the doctors are not allowed to simply kill them even though they will die soon. Brain matter is not what makes you either a human being or a person.

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

Your law clearly states that a fetus is NOT a person until it has taken a breath. FACTUALLY and LEGALLY a fetus is NOT a human BEING/PERSON.

Got that? Good.

Once more. It is obvious that the law presently excludes unborns and denies their personhood.

Can you offer up any proof tha they are not human beings and therefore not persons? If you can't, then you are holding a position that you simply can not justify and in that, I am sorry for you. To hold a position that you can not justify is an insult to one's intelligence. A trained parrot can repeat "its legal its legal its legal" over and over and that is exactly what your argument amounts to. Are you really unable to do any better than a trained parrot?

Originally Posted by PaleRider

Again, you couldn't be more wrong. A child born without a brain is considered to be a person under the law. They are issued birth certificates and death certificates and the doctors are not allowed to simply kill them even though they will die soon. Brain matter is not what makes you either a human being or a person.

A child without a brain will die as soon as the umbilical cord is cut. They will never take a breath, and will never become a person under the law. A birth certificate cannot be issued to a child who has not been established as a person.

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

A child without a brain will die as soon as the umbilical cord is cut. They will never take a breath, and will never become a person under the law. A birth certificate cannot be issued to a child who has not been established as a person.

Once again, you absolutely couldn't be more wrong. This seems to be the routine for you my winter storm. You make an argument and it is immediatly shown to be false. If the arguments you make are in reality the foundation upon which your defense of abortion rests, then your support for abortion is founded on nothing but false information. In short, your reasons for supporting abortion are all lies.


Anencephaly - A Dangerous Neural Tube Defect With Fetus Having No Brain » The Pregnancy Zone

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Anencephaly is a severe congenital birth defect in which the fetus will have no brain.

This condition occurs in approximately 1 in 1,000 pregnancies. This is a neural tube defect.

The expected life for a baby with anencephaly after birth is just few hours or few days.

http://www.ok.gov/health/documents/P...cid_98.pdf.pdf

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The infant may be born with anencephaly (no brain) and die soon after birth.

So as you can see the child does not die as soon as the cord is cut, It does take a breath and very often breathes for several days. It is issued a birth certificate and a death certificate upon its death and the doctors may not simply kill it because it is considered by the law to be a person even though it has no brain, can not feel, can not see, can not hear, will never have a thought, and will never grow up. It is considered by the law to be a person because it is a human being thus establishing that in the eyes of the law (a big deal for you apparently) a brain is not what makes a human being a person and a brain is not what makes a human being.

If someone is brain dead, the heart cannot beat. If someone has no brain, the heart cannot beat. In order for the heart to beat, there must be a brain.
These babies with anacephaly are likely hooked up to life support machines.

EDIT: Your second link doesn't work for me, and the first link doesn't explain how babies without brains are able to even breath, and have their hearts pump blood around their bodies. The brain needs to send the message to the heart to pump blood, and this cannot happen without a brain.

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]If someone is brain dead, the heart cannot beat. If someone has no brain, the heart cannot beat. In order for the heart to beat, there must be a brain.
These babies with anacephaly are likely hooked up to life support machines.

No they aren't because their condition is not going to improve. The ones that live have a section of the brain stem present. The most primative part of the brain that regulates breathing and heart beat, etc. They usually have none of the forebrain that pro choicers wronglybelieve is what makes us human. The primative part of the brain that is keeping the heart beating and regulating breathing and other organ functions has been present siince the child was around 4 weeks.

You really are lacking in your knowledge of biology and subsequently biological related functions. You have clearly fabricated a network of fantasy upon which your position is founded as practically every argument you make is false. (don't feel bad though, all pro choice arguments are fundamentally false) Personally, I would be embarrassed to even hold a position that I had not thoroughly researched, much less make it public.

I don't think the point of abortion really comes down to whether the fetus is a human being or not. Honestly, I don't care what it is. All I care about is that the woman has the right to choose. Whether there is a human being, person, elephant or donkey taking up space in her womb is irrelevent. What is relevent is that she is not forced to gestate against her will, and if you remove the right for adoption, you will be forcing women to gestate - and to possibly risk their lives.

This is the issue for me. I don't give a flying fuck what that thing in her is (and it isn't a human being) - all I care about is the woman getting the right to choose. That is all that matters.

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

I don't think the point of abortion really comes down to whether the fetus is a human being or not. Honestly, I don't care what it is. All I care about is that the woman has the right to choose. Whether there is a human being, person, elephant or donkey taking up space in her womb is irrelevent. What is relevent is that she is not forced to gestate against her will, and if you remove the right for adoption, you will be forcing women to gestate - and to possibly risk their lives.

So rather than subject yourself to having every one of the lies that you believe about pregnancy and unborns proven to be no more than falsehoods, why don't you simply state that you favor allowing women to kill their children without legal consequence for any or no reason? It is distasteful but it is an honest assesment of your position on abortion.

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

This is the issue for me. I don't give a flying fuck what that thing in her is (and it isn't a human being) - all I care about is the woman getting the right to choose. That is all that matters.

Then why all the lies and fabrications?

Originally Posted by My Winter Storm

I don't think the point of abortion really comes down to whether the fetus is a human being or not. Honestly, I don't care what it is. All I care about is that the woman has the right to choose. Whether there is a human being, person, elephant or donkey taking up space in her womb is irrelevent. What is relevent is that she is not forced to gestate against her will, and if you remove the right for adoption, you will be forcing women to gestate - and to possibly risk their lives.

This is the issue for me. I don't give a flying fuck what that thing in her is (and it isn't a human being) - all I care about is the woman getting the right to choose. That is all that matters.

I second that MWS and if some of these fucking weirdos don't like it , to bad.. .

Originally Posted by Lexi

I second that MWS and if some of these fucking weirdos don't like it , to bad.. .

Indeed that sums up the entire fact of abortion...its ALL ABOUT POWER and selfishness, with no thought nor concern for anything else. As the RIGHT to kill is demanded as a PERSONAL RIGHT OF CHOICE superior to even life. THAT INDEED SUMS IT UP. Well, spoken....let them eat cake. Spoken like a true elitist. BD