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Old 05-16-2008, 08:31 AM
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Can a Fetus own a gun in womb? Isn't this a gross violation of constitutional rights that no fetus has ever owned a gun?
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:54 AM
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I knew you right wingers would be afraid to answer this one!
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:30 PM
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Can a Fetus own a gun in womb? Isn't this a gross violation of constitutional rights that no fetus has ever owned a gun?
The laws on the books are pretty clear about the age requirements for owning a firearm.

You guys just keep walking into doors. If you knew half as much as you believe you knew, you wouldn't make such stupid statements.

The nature of our legal system is such that if a constitutional right is to be denied any individual or group, law must be legislated that specifically enumerates which right is to be denied (in your absurd example it is the right to own a firearm), from whom the right is to be denied (those who barring felony convictions are under the age of 18 for long guns and 21 for handguns) and for what reason the right is to be denied (because we as a society have decided that one must reach a certain level of maturity before we as a society trust them to own a firearm.

Now, do feel free to point out the law that has been duely legislated that denies unborn human beings the right to live until such time as they have been born.

Since we all know that you can't do that, you might take the time you would have spent googling and learn something about the nature of our legal system and the constitution.
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I knew you right wingers would be afraid to answer this one!
Afraid? Of idiocy like that. All you managed to do was prove beyond any doubt that you don't know jack about our legal system or the constitution. Do feel free to try some sort of rebuttal. I am sure that it will succeed in convincing any who are still doubters that you really don't have a clue and as far as this debate is concerned, you have brought a knife to an intellectual gun fight.
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ya know a better question is if we are alive from conception: if we freeze an embryo fro 18 years can they vote or own a gun?
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ya know a better question is if we are alive from conception: if we freeze an embryo fro 18 years can they vote or own a gun?

You don't prove yourself any brighter wolf. All of our documentation is based on the date of our birth. Of course that documentation has nothing to do with whether or not we were alive before we got it. A piece of paper doesn't determine whether or not you were or were not alive prior to its issuance.

Your position depends desperately upon unborns being not alive and something other than human beings before they are born and yet, you can provde nothing other than your own faith to support that position and it is in direct opposition to medical and biological science. Your faith is clearly wrong and yet, you desperately cling to it. Explain that mind set.
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Old 05-17-2008, 08:49 AM
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You don't prove yourself any brighter wolf. All of our documentation is based on the date of our birth. Of course that documentation has nothing to do with whether or not we were alive before we got it. A piece of paper doesn't determine whether or not you were or were not alive prior to its issuance.

Your position depends desperately upon unborns being not alive and something other than human beings before they are born and yet, you can provde nothing other than your own faith to support that position and it is in direct opposition to medical and biological science. Your faith is clearly wrong and yet, you desperately cling to it. Explain that mind set.
I'm being facisous. but if we did give an embroyo personhood, we very well might start counting our ages from conception. thus having our frist b-day 3 months our of the womb.

I already explained enough. you want to go back and read feel free. but quit asking me to retype it all.

and keep choosing fetuses over freedom and females. shows what kind of person you are.
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I'm being facisous. but if we did give an embroyo personhood, we very well might start counting our ages from conception. thus having our frist b-day 3 months our of the womb.
What purpose would that serve? The date of your birth serves well for documenting your age with regard to aquiring rights or privledges based on age and would circumvent the obvious problems that might arise with children who spent a length of time in stasis if they were frozen as embryos.

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I already explained enough. you want to go back and read feel free. but quit asking me to retype it all.
You explained nothing. You dodged and weaved. You shucked and jived. But you were completely unable to defend your position in any way. Claiming htat you did isn't a valid substitute for actually doing it.

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and keep choosing fetuses over freedom and females. shows what kind of person you are.
If it is a matter of life or death, then the woman has the right to defend her life just as the rest of us do but if it is a matter of convenience, or economics, then the right to live takes precedence over such trivialites. You are claiming that the right to not be inconvenienced outweighs another human being's very right to live his or her one and only life. Don't try and tell me what sort of person I am until you can rationally justify the line of thinking that leads you to your position.
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Can a Fetus own a gun in womb? Isn't this a gross violation of constitutional rights that no fetus has ever owned a gun?
Just because someone has a right does not mean they have to exercise it.
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What purpose would that serve? The date of your birth serves well for documenting your age with regard to aquiring rights or privledges based on age and would circumvent the obvious problems that might arise with children who spent a length of time in stasis if they were frozen as embryos.
some other countries who count a fetus as alive do this. and even some people here think it could be wise to start counting our ages from conception. this isn't just coming from people who 20 yrs and 3 months old and want to go out and drink. its reasonable question to ask if we alter the law

If it is a matter of life or death, then the woman has the right to defend her life just as the rest of us do but if it is a matter of convenience, or economics, then the right to live takes precedence over such trivialites. You are claiming that the right to not be inconvenienced outweighs another human being's very right to live his or her one and only life. Don't try and tell me what sort of person I am until you can rationally justify the line of thinking that leads you to your position.
its not a good idea to let the gov decide what happens to our bodies. ever.
nor is it good to keep bringing unwanted children into the world or to ruin the lives of women in the process.
no one approachs abortion lightly, people who abort face the consequences and think carefully about their actions. its not good to judge others (especially if you claim to be christian).
just avoid getting into other's lives.
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