You just made my point for me without even knowing it. Fetuses don't get to write the laws and are as such regarded as less than third class citicens. Not only are they denied gun rights but even the right to be born. Its a savage system, isn't it? If we are going to make any real progress in this world the fetus must be allowed to vote. Until that happens their Constitutional rights will be viloated with regard by the cruel born majority

Pretty much sums that up, a fetus is not an indivdual, thus has no rights.

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Of coarse it hurts. Your being screwed by an elephant.

Barak Obama - Half honkey - all donkey

"It doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes"- Joseph Stalin

Tell me patriot, which laws, specifically, have you written and passed? If you have, in fact, not written and imposed a law upon us all, then by your own definition, you are a third class citizen as well and have no more right to live than an unborn.

Children don't vote, but still enjoy the protection of the law. Are children third class citizens because they are not old enough to vote?

You aren't very good at this patriot. Maybe you should change your name to parrot as you seem to be just repeating things you may have read but lack any real understanding of them.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

" A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm ... unites with a female gamete or oocyte ... to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual." Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed.(Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company), 2-18.

"Often,this morula is inaccurately referred to as a ‘fertilized egg’ because the blastomeres remain inside the female parent’s oocyte outer cell membrane. That is an incorrect characterization, because the 23 -chromosome oocyte no longer exists; all the cells within the morula have the unique genome—46 chromosomes and a complement of mitochondrial DNA —of the newly conceived individual life." The Developing Human, Moore and Persaud, 6th ed., (p. 43)

"It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitues the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."[U] Human Embryology & Teratology [/u]Ronan R. O'Rahilly, Fabiola Muller, (New York: Wiley-Liss), 5-55.

Now do feel free to provide some credible evidence that suggests that the child is part of its mother's body and therefore not an individual. Being inside of, or attached to a thing does not mean that one is part of that thing. Byt you made the claim that it is not an individual, so prove it.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

Rip the child from her body and see how long lives without her.... Case settled.

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Who would Jesus Bomb?

Of coarse it hurts. Your being screwed by an elephant.

Barak Obama - Half honkey - all donkey

"It doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes"- Joseph Stalin

There is quite a bit of difference between life and birth, but being "unborn" does not "preclude" one from being alive. Life is not measured in any cognation of knowledge, nor size, nor any projection of worth. Life is exampled in the physical world by the measure of energy consumed or entropy. But the most reliable definition of human life is found in the scriptures. The "life" of the flesh is found in the "blood" -- Lev.17:11, Genesis 9:5. Therefore if blood is circulating and providing life to the flesh of that child, it can only be considered ALIVE, and as I said, birth IS NOT a synonymic declaration of LIFE.

Does anyone deny the fact that any gestating human child has life giving blood flowing through it veins, or the very logical conclusion that any gestating child will become nothing less than human if left alone to live and grow? Life is nothing but a "semantical" game to liberals that falsely profess to be concerned about human rights, when in fact they are promoting nothing but fascism. As they first dehumanize a part of our population then claim the right of possession to even kill that portion of our population simply because it has not "semantically" been declared "alive" by some self professed liberal God (judge) and the sound of his/her gavel. Does this sound familiar? Has anyone read "MEIN KAMPF" ? Even the very same Federal Legal system that has declared a gestating human child as non-life, as inversely declared gestating animal life as an example of LIFE WITHIN THAT SPECIES. "The 1973 Endangered Species Act". And if you do not believe that, just try to destroy any gestating "egg" of some endangered bird. Can you say, jail time or fine, or possibly both? Holding Animal Life as Superior to Human Life. What idiocy. BD

and if people don't believe the bible your post means nothing. and asince the law is amoral and atheistic it doesn't matter.

as of now persons, people, humans, those among us who are alive age. were to to count fetuses as persons, people, humans, alive we'd have to say they age as well. unless we wrote a special clause for their personhood wherein they are 0 years, 0 months, and 0 days when they are born despite being 'alive' for months.

GREAT POINT

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I think you are suffering from an acute case of ignornace. As a matter of fact I'm sure of it. All laws that benefit people, classes of people, genders, age groups etc. are not written by all those people. Yet the people being helped by the laws--or protected by them we should say, or even having Constitutional rights extended to them--are done so because that group of people have a say in the government or someone doing their bidding for them. Why do you think its so hard to change Social Security? Its because old people have the vote. Fetues do not.

If you need anything else explained to you let me know and I'll do my best to educate you.

Just for the record, I'd like to add my condemnation of the NRA to this thread. What have they done to overturn this most monumental wrong done to poor unoffending feteses and zygots? Nothing! Not a finger lifted to see that the unborn are given the right to keep and bear arms. Its sad

You don't have to believe anything except the mirrored comparison to Nazi Fascism. Your beliefs and illogical conclusions concerning life indeed shows just how much compassion is shown to Human Life, none if it stands in the way of some perceived social status and the wanton disregard for responsibility. Liberalism is evil, pure and simple, even more so than Hitler and his death camps, as some 3700 American lives are rounded up on a daily bases and "executed" for convenience and harvesting of organic tissue. Murder is Murder any way someone wants to "semantically" deny the fact thereof. And according to the "original" intent of the constitution no law can be "alienated" that can deny the right to life. And nowhere is the right given for some judge to define life and take away the states right to decide for themselves if "abortion" should be legal or not. Do you understand just what "alienate" means in definition as presented in our "Declaration of Independence"? Alienate: cut off, isolated, excluded from society. The perfect example of just what the "liberal" mindset as exampled in dehumanizing the fact of life in a major portion of our population. Evil is Evil...period. In any fascist way you wish to semantically present it. BD