Originally Posted by funktacular

Wolfe why did you not anwser the question? By Killing all poor black people crime would drop a hell of a lot! Which one are you going to employ to lower the crime rate?
Personally I'd rather work to improve society and our communities.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

I did answer.
this isn't a racial issue. you want to make it one.
I already said improving life and society is the route I'd take- but sadly hardly no one else will.

Originally Posted by PaleRider

Statistically speaking, killing poor blacks would improve society. If you are making the argument that killing human beings is the route to improving society, then logically, you should be willing to kill the group that would provide the greatest benefit to society. Clearly, you aren't willing to endorse killing those whose deaths would be the greatest benefit to society, so your argument in support of abortion lacks credibility.

Originally Posted by PaleRider

Statistically speaking, killing poor blacks would improve society. If you are making the argument that killing human beings is the route to improving society, then logically, you should be willing to kill the group that would provide the greatest benefit to society. Clearly, you aren't willing to endorse killing those whose deaths would be the greatest benefit to society, so your argument in support of abortion lacks credibility.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

my position is based on the facts.
there are two ways to lower crime rates
1- abort fetues who are more liekly to be criminals one day
2- improve society and stop youth from leading a life of crime.

both are proven to work.

the first one is easier and happens to get more support.
the second one is very hard and most don't want to do it.
some dislike both ideas and have produced no other alternative. this stems from the fact that many think people should care for themselves and they have no reason to help others or help society in general its not their problem.

abortion does provide us with a means to lower the crime rate.
this is a fact.

would I perfer to lower abortion and instead improve society?
yes. but its mot going to happen anytime soon.

Originally Posted by funktacular

You don't really give a shit about improving society. If so you would support killing all poor black people because that would cut crime in half if not more. This is not racial it is a fact. What you care about is having the option to evade responsibilty.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

thats completely ridiculous and false. aborting all black fetuses wouldn't stop white crime.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

I support making society and therefore life better so less people comitt crime and so people who comitt crime can be rehabiliated.

Originally Posted by wolf_22

having an abortion is responcible if its the best option. the key is making people's lives different so they have more options and better ones than that.

Originally Posted by PaleRider

We aren't talking about abortion. Simply killing all poor blacks would cut the crime rate drastically. Further, killing anyone convicted of any crime no matter how small would cut the crime rate even further.

You seem willing to kill human beings who "might" grow up to be criminals but unwilling to target the group from which a large portion of criminals come from. Therefore, your argument lacks credibility. It is shallow and clearly nothing more than a contrivance to support your stance on abortion. If you were really interested in bettering society by killing, then logic demands that you immediately go after those whose deaths would most benefit society.
pale if you won't read my posts I can't talk to you. my stance on abortion is and always has been clear. its true that abortion serves as a means to decreasing crime. but its also true that inproving society, treating criminals with dignity, rehabilitation, and actually giving people a second chance after prison do as well. I'm much more interested in the latter being our primary focus and most used tool.


No you don't. If you did, then logic would demand that you support killing the groups that produce the most criminals and if you were really interested in bettering society, logic would also demand that all criminals be executed as the recidivism rates clearly indicate that killing all criminals is better for society than any attempt at rehabilitation.
no logically that means being more humane and not less humane. how can we improve society without compassion? we can't.


Having an abortion is only responsible if the mother's life is in danger. In any other case, it is murder for convenience and you simply can't spin that into responsible behavior.

Originally Posted by patriot2342001

Flushing little criminals before they even consider a crime prevents many, many crimes