For or against abortion?

Realist1 · #41 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PaleRider

At least you are honest about your position, I give you credit for that. Your argument leaves a great deal to be desired, however, if logic is your goal. First, parentage is no assurance that the child will grow up to be a loser. There are plenty of great men and women who came from crappy families, or no family at all.

Secondly, there are a limited number of human beings who have the intellectual wattage to see deeply enough into the problems that we face to work out genuine solutions and unfortunately, those minds don't only get born into a certain sort of situation. History shows us that we only get a precious few minds that are in that top fraction of the 99th percentile every generation. The sorts of minds that might work out cold fusion, or a means to extract hydrogen from water without using more energy than you get. When you are aborting almost 30% of the pregnancies in this country alone, over the past 40 years, statistically, we have probably flushed at least a half a dozen children that would have had minds that would make the rest of us look like gibbering idiots.

As I said P/R, I see no reason to argue one way or another over abortion. I think you're right in saying there's a good portion of decent Human Beings that came from rotten backgrounds. I too agree that there's a very small percentile of the Human Race that actually accomplishes anything worthwhile in the time they reside on the Planet.

However,,,I'll never stand in the way of anyone that wishes to kill its own unborn. To me, they've already proved to be a prime example of what we all don't need anymore of in the World.

They remind me of animals that eat their young...

Of no use to themselves, the Human Race, or the survival thereof.

T_Ereponemos · #42 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 03:18 PM

Reason is pure but morality can be tainted. If you get an unwanted pregnancy through consensual sex and you are far too young and or just not at the financially stable time for it, would you really stand there and just let a preventable bomb descend upon you? The Option is a wonderful thing especially with a simple surgery to exploit. It's not like you just kill the unborn child then it's tossed to the wolves, It can go for stem cells to benefit alive and people, rather than being another unwanted mouth to feed. Robbing someone of their freedom in this case just because you don't support it isn't an incredibly Democratic(Goverment not political orientation) mindset.

Think of it this way, A baby is like a Nuclear missile...it will always have an Abortion code.

wolf_22 · #43 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Fatts

That's great, whatever, but it's not the point of the argument. Choosing what goes into your uterus and destroying something that is already there are two vastly different things.

not really.
if something is in your uterus and you want it removed you should be able to do so.
if its that important that it isn't 'destroyed' than women can just induce labor at any time then. instead of abortion, we'll have women inducing labor during the first trimester.

women are autonomous. they still control their bodies even when a fetus is occupying their uterus. they don't loose themselves nor the control of their body because they happen to be pregnant.

1wiseguy · #44 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FreedomForWho

Just a simple poll to see where everyone stands. Please make a post claiming your vote and why.

I am against abortion, but believe that is not's governments roll to get involved in personal issues that are none of their concern, like abortion or healthcare,

naturemomma · #45 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1wiseguy

I am against abortion, but believe that is not's governments roll to get involved in personal issues that are none of their concern, like abortion or healthcare,

I think, if memeory serves me right, this is the only thing I have ever agreed with you on...

I don't believe in national healthcare either. I don't think the governement should have any control over our health, or our resproductive choices. There's a name for that... communism.

T_Ereponemos · #46 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

I don't believe in national healthcare either. I don't think the governement should have any control over our health, or our resproductive choices. There's a name for that... communism.

So is a Public school system or a Postal service Communism as well?

1wiseguy · #47 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

I think, if memeory serves me right, this is the only thing I have ever agreed with you on...

I don't believe in national healthcare either. I don't think the governement should have any control over our health, or our resproductive choices. There's a name for that... communism.

LOL... Actually, we agree on more than you know...I just don't always chime in when my view is already well represented. For example, I beleive that we share the same view on our 2nd amendment rights and Obama being a empty suit and to name a few off the top of my mind. Don't let that worry you... I'm sure there are others we don't!

wolf_22 · #48 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Ereponemos

So is a Public school system or a Postal service Communism as well?

this is where a big socialism/communism diifference comes in:
communism = totalitarianism
socialism CAN be combined with Democracy.

funding things through tax dollars isn't always bad. but too many go vrestricts on those things are.

we're currently pushing a bit too much with out school system now. forcing states to decide between running their own programs or having funding.
but we do leave the door open for private education.

its wrong right now that people on medicare can't get abortions through their plan.

Skinny Fatts · #49 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

...women are autonomous. they still control their bodies even when a fetus is occupying their uterus. they don't loose themselves nor the control of their body because they happen to be pregnant.

This is a point I can actually argue for. I have stated for years that abortion is about power, and nothing else. So we can dispense with the nonsensical arguments dealing with rape, incest, and birth defects...they are non-issues.

And second, women who would kill their own kids probably aren't the best choices to be parents anyway.

wolf_22 · #50 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Fatts

This is a point I can actually argue for. I have stated for years that abortion is about power, and nothing else. So we can dispense with the nonsensical arguments dealing with rape, incest, and birth defects...they are non-issues.

And second, women who would kill their own kids probably aren't the best choices to be parents anyway.

but its not about just power or rights.

sometimes abortion is the best choice.
people who are too young, irresponcible, or immature shouldn't have kids until they grow more.
people who can't afford kids shouldn't bring them into this world
abusive and neglectful people shouldn't have kids
girlfriends of shitty men shouldn't have those guys' kids

another issue is some people don't see fetuses as alive right away.

no one just has an abortion. its hard choice and most women think- for whatever reason- that its the best choice they can make.