just what I thought, no credible science, just more of your uneducated postion.

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If you were born after 1972 you are a Survivor of the Abortion Holocaust. 1/3 of your generation has been killed by abortion in America!

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Sorry wyse, but it is a genetically distinct individual. Any 2nd year lab student can prove this beyond question. Being attatched does not make you indistinct.

It is clear by now that you have no argument, and word games are the best you can muster. Would you like a more concise definition of offspring to put that bit of illogic to bed?

off·spring
Pronunciation: \ˈȯf-ˌspriŋ\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural offspring also offsprings
Etymology: Middle English ofspring, from Old English, from of off + springan to spring
Date: before 12th century
1 a: the product of the reproductive processes of an animal or plant

A zygote is a product of the reproductive process. If you can't serve up facts to support your position, word games mean nothing wyse. Prove that unborns are something other than living human beings. Fail that, and your argument fails at every level. Word games can't make a thing into something other than it is. At best, you can convince others that it is something else, but in reality, you are only guilty of misleading those you convince. Is that really how you want to comport yourself. Is misleading people really your goal?

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

And what exactly do you believe you have proved? Do you believe for one second that you have proved that one human being has the right to kill another human being so long as it is done in private? If you believe you have proved that, then you could not possibly, in a million years be more wrong. For any argument for abortion to succeed, you are first going to have to prove that unborns are something other than living human beings. Any argument that assumes, for the purpose of argument, that they are not living human beings is no more and no less than a logical fallacy.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

I have to say towelie, yours is one of the weakest arguments I have seen in some time other than lexi's which consists of nothing but one line insults. Abortion is one human being having another human being killed with intent. Insurance regulations have nothing whatsoever to do with one human being having another human being killed.

In its present form, your argument is a logical fallacy. You are begging the question and assuming that unborns are not living human beings and are instead some medical condition of the woman. Prove that the child is something other than a living human being and your argument that it is a medical condition can carry foreward and probably win the day. Fail to prove, however, that unborns are something othe than living human beings and all you have is a logical fallacy which will win nothing except maybe a parting gift of a years worth of ricearoni for playing.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Prove that it is an appendage of her body. Any appendage of her body will have her DNA and be readily identifiable as part of her body.

As to the egg thing. You really don't have any grasp of developmental biology do you. If you buy your eggs in a grocery store like most people, you are buying eggs that come from egg farms. The chickens in egg farms don't get to meet roosters so the eggs you buy are, in most cases, nothing more than eggs. If you get your eggs from under chickens that get to meet roosters like me, however, occasionally you will pick up an egg that you have missed for a few days and the bloody mess you find in your frying pan when you break it will tell you beyond any reasonable doubt that what you have cracked isn't "just" an egg. You have an immature chicken in your frying pan.

Actually, you can't kill trespassers unless they represent an imminent threat to your life and you can't evict them if doing so would result in their deaths. Arguing along those lines is a losing argument for you anyway, because the unborn can't rightly be considered to be a trespasser since a trespasser must, by definition, come from somewhere else onto your property. Not only does the unborn not come from somewhere else, your body isn't property so the whole argument falls flat and fails miserably.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

You may not break the law in your own home and expect that you won't be bothered by the authorites. You can't kill another human being in private and conclude that you haven't broken the law.

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Originally Posted by My Winter Storm Gee, Pale, I do all those things in my house and I've never had a problem.

Kill your neighbor, or molest a child, or weigh and package a pound of cocaine and you will find exactly how much privacy you are entitled to.

We can expect that the governemnt will not bother us in our homes so long as we are not breaking the law. Presently, killing an unborn is not against the law so, again, parotting over and over that it is legal does not constitute an argument justifying abortion. The debate over abortion is one over whether the law is just.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Many people break the law in their own homes, I am sure - and they are yet to be caught.

Those that you mention are actual crimes, though. Obviously if you committ a crime, you can expect to be charged.

I believe the law regarding abortion is just. You cannot force a woman to gestate against her will, simple as that. If you did, you'd be treating her like a sex slave - nothing more than an incubator.


A question, Pale: Are you also against the death penalty? Those people on death row are human beings, you know...

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There is no need for such explanations. You can do all manner of things that newborns can't and you are different in all sorts of ways and yet, they are human beings. Even though you can do things they can't, and think things that they can't, and your body is very different from theirs, you aren't even slightly more human than any of them. More mature yes, but more human? No. It isn't your level of maturity that makes you a human being. A 110 year old geezer isn't a bit more human than a 1 second old newborn. The geezer is more mature, but not more human.

By the same token, a 1 second old newborn isn't a bit more human than it was 20 minutes earlier, or 2 days earlier, or 3 weeks earlier or 9 months earlier. It is what it is. It has grown and matured but it hasn't undergone some radical change in its essential nature. It is what it is. You can trace your life back to a particular moment in time. Before that, you didn't exist, after that you have been the very same individual and have done nothing more than grow and mature. You were never something other than a human being.

Bur if you really think that unborns are not living human beings, by all means bring some credible science here to prove your position. I wouldn't expect for you to believe that unborns are living human beings based on nothing more than my say so which is why I have done a great deal of research to find credible science to substantiate my position. Either you can prove your postition or you can't and we both know you can't.

At this point, you are doing nothing more than denying credible science in favor of your own faith. That makes you a flat earther in the first degree.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

A one second old newborn is alot different from what it was twenty minutes earlier. It is no longer a fetus, but a baby. The cord has been cut, baby is breathing on his own. Baby's entire circulatory system has changed. Baby is now a separate entity from the mother. Baby no longer needs his mothers body to survive.
I like to consider those things to be pretty major changes.

The term 'human' and the term 'human being' are legal terms, used to define personhood. They are not used in scientific textbooks, but in lawbooks.
Scientific textbooks may say the fetus is a human being, but the law holds a different opinion.

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