We have more sex education in the schools and oddly enough, the more sex ed we get in schools, the more teen pregnancies we get. Clearly your idea hasn't worked. The only way to decrease the numbers of abortions is to ban the proceedure and punish those who are caught.

We know precisely why women have abortions. Survey after survey and study after study has been done exactly to find out why women have abortions. The answer? Because the child would inconvenience them.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

The problem is, if you ban abortion, women will still have them, only this time, they will out their lives at risk, and many will die.
Should we punish those women seeking the abortion, or the abortion providers?

Is there a link to such a study? I don't doubt what you say, but I'd like to check for myself before I reply to this.

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Yeah, I never thought about this issue before.

Does that make your entire argument logical fallacy then? You are arguing that it is murder which would make it illegal and yet it's not illegal therefore it's not murder?

You've been attacking me from the beginning...speaks volumes about your argument, I guess.

You obviously feel that you have some right to make choices for another adult but don't wish to take responsibility for taking on that authority...perhaps you should get a job in government.

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Some women will attempt to get abortions. So what? Some people go ahead and do every single thing that we have passed laws prohibiting. The law can't stop people from doing a thing, it only provides a means by which to punish them if they do it.

And how much time do you spend worrying about people who get injured or killed while attempting to break other laws?

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Originally Posted by My Winter Storm Should we punish those women seeking the abortion, or the abortion providers?

Do we presently punish people who attempt to kill others? Is attempted murder not a crime? And if you hire a killer to do the deed for you, are not both you and the hired killer subject to punishment whether you actually kill or not?

Is there a link to such a study? I don't doubt what you say, but I'd like to check for myself before I reply to this.[/quote]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Why Do Women Have Abortions?

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Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

There are plenty more and all have the same findings within a few percentage points.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Your arguments don't indicate any real thought. So far they have amounted to no more than one logical fallacy after another. Unless of course, your entire way of thinking is structured on logical fallacy.

No it doesn't. You really aren't very good at thinking are you? The whole argument exists because the Supreme Court decided roe on the basis that unborns were not human beings. Slavery is perfectly analogous to this issue. The court said that blacks were not human beings and therefore could be owned as property and used or abused in any manner that the owner of the property wished. That the court said that blacks were not human beings didn't, in fact, make them something other than human beings, it simply allowed a class of human beings to be denied their most basic human rights.

Abortion is exactly the same. The court's decison never made unborns something other than living human beings, it only allowed those who are so inclined to deny a class of human beings their most basic human right.

Pointing out the fallacy of your argument constitutes an attack in your mind? If you could put up a coherent argument that isn't rife with faulty logic then we could discuss the issue. So far, however, you haven't been able to do that.

More fallacy. And hypocricy. Tell me, do you have a problem with law that makes child abuse or spousal abuse illegal? After all, unless it is you or your child that is being abused, it really doesn't affect you. Now if you believe that such laws should be stricken from the books to allow people to do as they please, you won't be proven to be a hypocrite but if you have no problem with laws that make certain behaviors illegal then it is a hypocrite that you are.

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"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

As my friend David Boez would point out, too many people these days think "choice" only refers to abortion. I'd like to hear a presidential candidate say, "I believe in a woman's right to choose. I believe in a woman's right to choose whether to have a child. I believe in a woman's right to choose any job someone will hire her for. I believe in a woman's right to choose to own a gun. I believe in a woman's right to choose the school she thinks is best for her child, public or private. I believe in a woman's right to choose what kinds of art she will spend her money on, even if she prefers Madonna or Randy Travis and Congress wants to give her money to Robert Mapplethorpe or Luciano Pavarotti. I believe in a woman's right to choose to drive a cab, even if she doesn't have a license. I believe in a woman's right to choose the employees she wants for her business, even if they don't fit some government quota. I believe in a woman's right to choose the drugs she prefers for recreation, whether she chooses Coors or cocaine. I believe in a woman's right to choose how to spend all of her hard-earned money, without giving half of it to the government."

Whether or not you support the right to choose abortion, surely that is a more difficult issue, involving more lives and more complexities than the right to choose a school for your child, to use marijuana, or to own a gun. And yet many of the supporters of "a woman's right to choose" don't support a woman's right to make those choices.

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He's been attacking me for so long I had to put him on my ignore list. He gets rabid at times and foams at the mouth.

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It certainly appears to be an exercise in futility trying to carry on a rational discussion with him...that became rather obvious though when from the very beginning he preferred to project what he thinks I believe than to actually have a discussion about it...he simply tries to discount anything that I have to say so I've decided not to bother putting much effort into addressing him.

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Keep it to the bare essentials. Let those that want to, kill off their offspring. Keep an accurate Record of those that do,,,and after the third time they've used abortion as a Birth Control method, Tie their tubes.

Also,,,request the "Fathers" Name...Obviously he's not worth procreating either.

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