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View Poll Results: Abortion should be...
Legal based on "Civil rights" 20 50.00%
Legal based on morality 3 7.50%
Illegal based on "Civil rights" 6 15.00%
Illegal based on morality 11 27.50%
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:01 AM
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Hey, by the definition Palerider and the like use, an easy billion women have had "abortions," 400 million at any point in time, and are actively engaging in a billion "abortions" a year. Most of the world call it birth control using a pill, an IUD, or an implant, or something similar.
And the wait continues for you to provide some sort of credible evidence that suggests that unborns at any stage are not living human beings. Your argument is a textbook example of an appeal to common practice. Logical fallacy doesn't constitute a valid argument.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:05 AM
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Tumors have human DNA. The same DNA as an embryo.
A tumor is a tumor and left to grow will only grow into a larger tumor. Further, the DNA in a tumor is your own. An embryo is an individual human being and left to grow will only grow into a more mature human being.

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Tumors require feeding by attaching to human blood supply. Ebryos require feeding by attaching to human blood supply.
You made the claim that you understood science. Are you now admitting that you really know so little that you are unable to differentiate between a tumor and an individual human being? Or do you derive some pleasure from making childish arguments.

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If the host doesn't want the tumor or embryo, what is the difference between the two?
One is a disease and is part and parcel of the sick person's body and the other is an individual living human being. Is this really the best you can do?
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:13 AM
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Do you deny that you consider a billion women to be murderers?
Those who use "birth control" pills with abortifacient properties might not be aware that they could be aborting their children and killing without intent is manslaugher. Murder is one human being killing another human being with intent. Can you offer up any credible evidence that killing an unborn at any stage is not killing a living human being and therefore prove that abortion or "birth control" methods with abortaficient properties does not deny a living human being the right to live?

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Do you deny you believe that a billion murders are being committed each year?
See above

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Do you deny that you consider 400 million women at any point in time to be murdering their unborn?
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Or do you consider murdering an human being by the pill, IUD, or implant to be socially acceptable?
See above.

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Oh, right, you're going to side step the inconventient truth of the absurdity of your position by using terms like "you are stupid" and "you are just cutting and pasting" and "you are a flat earther" but the last thing you will do is admit that your view of things is one that is clearly not held by billions of people who think that birth control is a fantastic scientific advance, and what we need is more scientific advancement to make birth control far more convenient and safe and 100% effective, so no woman need face a crowd of protesters in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic.
I don't side step anything. I don't lie, I don't attempt to manipulate the facts, I don't misinform, and I don't try and trick people into believing what I believe by subterfuge.

And once more, you resort to your appeal to popularity argument. I have to say that if you are going to engage in a logical fallacy, you do it by the book.

I will agree with you in part that if abortion were banned, that it probably wouldn't be long before drug companies would have a perfect or nearly perfect contraceptive on the market. One that simply stops a woman from ovulating and has no abortifacient properties.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:32 AM
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The question is fallacious. No one is for abortion, only the right of women to have the final say.
That argument is fallacious. Suggesting that you are not for abortion but for choice is like saying that you are against pedophilia but favor allowing pedophiles to make the choice of whether or not to commit the act.

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When every baby is born without painful or mortal defect, or there is a cure for every one; when every unwanted baby is quickly adopted into a loving foster-home, perhaps then the government could ban such abortions.
More flawed logic. This is a human rights issue. Human beings have a right to lvie. You have no inherent right not to be sick, you have no inherent right to be born into a loving family, but you do have a basic right to live. Your arguments suggest that one's situation should determine one's right to live and that those who are sick or have defects have no right to live and that those who are homeless or unhappy would also forfiet their right to live.

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But in the case of rape, I see no just law banning it. Ever.
Describe the logical basis for killing one individual for the crimes of another.

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It seems like a form of slavery to me to force a rape victim to carry her attacker's baby. Someone has already committed a violent crime against her, but now the state enforces the criminal's right to use her body as an incubator for that corrupt (and probably inbred) seed?
The child isn't "just" the child of the father. The chid is her child as well. I guess I am still waiting for you to outline the logic of killing one individual for the crimes of another. It should be interesting.

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Slavery of women, plain and simple.
Maybe you should refer to a dictionary and learn what slavery actually is. Calling a thing slavery does not make it slavery. If unilatarally redefining words in an attempt to appeal to emotion is the best you can do, then your best is sorely deficient.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:33 AM
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Just a simple poll to see where everyone stands. Please make a post claiming your vote and why.
I posted that it should be Illegal because of morality, I also don't agree with the pill or any anti conception device.
Women need to be educated in the cycles of their bodies. And Men need to be aware and respectful of thier reproductive cycles.
Now I had this girlfriend 20 years ago, who knew when she could have sex during month and when she could not. This was all based on the cycles of the moon, so anyhow it was generally between the waning quarter moon and the new moon that we could have sex.
For me once that sperm activates the egg, so to speak, then you have life, that initial chemical reaction initiates life. No human has a moral right to kill this life, except in the case where a woman needs to terminate the pregnacy due to a life threatening circumstance, other than that, God is the only one who can terminate the pregancy, and this would generally be a still-born birth.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:36 AM
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Funny, but the quote that you use is a cut and paste from that website.

Are you the author of the website?

If not, you have been quoting without attribution, giving the impression that it is your work. That is known as plagiarism.
The quote is from a medical textbook and is accompanied by a thorough bibliographical reference. The qote from the book is going to be the same no matter where you see it.

Which quote of the author of the web site did I use?
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:37 AM
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It looks like the "Legal based on civil rights" is way out ahead. That's the one I voted for.

All women should have the right to choose what they do with their bodies. That's my reason for voting the way I did. No net Bot quoting from a biology book is going to control my body .
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:44 AM
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It looks like the "Legal based on civil rights" is way out ahead. That's the one I voted for.

All women should have the right to choose what they do with their bodies. That's my reason for voting the way I did. No net Bot quoting from a biology book is going to control my body .
I disagree, because, like I said just before, once that egg starts to spilt and grow, its not the womans body anymore, it is a paracite, another being another life. No woman has the right, except under life threatening circumstances.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:54 AM
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I disagree, because, like I said just before, once that egg starts to spilt and grow, its not the womans body anymore, it is a paracite, another being another life. No woman has the right, except under life threatening circumstances.

That's your opinion and your right to think that way, I happen to disagree with your opinion and that's my right..
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:00 AM
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That's your opinion and your right to think that way, I happen to disagree with your opinion and that's my right..
Bravo. It boggles my mind why you would think like that, but patients will tell me one day you won't think like that. I pray.
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