Now that I've tracked down the website that it looks like Palerider is plagiarizing, I see I was missing a really big segment of murders, the estimated 400 million women at any point in time taking birth control pills, using an IUD, or other similar abortifactents. Given the stages of life women go through, I'd say its safe to say a billion women are in the view of Palerider, murderers, committing what I would estimate to be a billion murder each year.

That makes women cold blooded and calculating killers if you consider an embryo to be a human being.

And to think Hitler and Stalin are considered to be mass murderers - women are just so much worse. If you think an embryo has a right to life.

I don't think embryos are human beings, nor do I consider fetuses human beings, so I consider those 400 million women using birth control pills, IUD, et al, to be examples more women should emulate.

Other than the fact that it is enjoyable?

I oppose this issue for precisely the same reason that abolitionists "stuck their noses" in farmer's business. Because human beings have certain rights and unborns at any stage are human beings. Feel free to prove me wrong so that you can make a valid argument for killing them without legal consequence.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

I have been referencing those textbooks for longer than that web site has existed. Some of them for over a decade. Aside from that, you can't plagarize bibliographical references. You don't seem to be very bright.

I am still waiting for you to provide any credible evidence at all that suggests that the offspring of two human beings is EVER anything but a human being. You have now admitted that you are a flat earther and that the basis for your position is a logical fallacy known as an appeal to common practice where X is a common action. Therefore X is correct / moral / justified / reasonable, etc. The basic idea behind the fallacy is that the fact that many people do X is used as "evidence" to support the action or practice. It is a fallacy because the mere fact that most people do something does not make it correct, moral, justified, or reasonable.

Your argument is a textbook example of the fallacy. You are offering up no credible evidence that unborns are something other than human beings, you are simply stating numbers of women who do it.

Once again, what you "consider" an unborn to be is irrelavent if science says otherwise. Your faith doesn't change the facts.

I am still waiting for you to provide some credible evidence that suggests that unborns are something other than living human beings at any stage of development. If you can prove that they are something else, then abortion is not killing a living human being and this debate is effectively over.

You don't think at all with regard to this issue. You are a flat earther operating from a position of faith. You have seen the science that says you are wrong and still, you, like many faithful continue to hold to your guns. What you believe is explicitly rejected by biological science. You are wrong and you make no effort to prove that you are right. You accept being wrong and are perfectly willing to continue to be wrong. Way to go, you lost this debate quicker than most pro choicers.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

>>>You've been proven wrong time and time again. It all depends on how you define 'human'. If you believe a non-sentient clump of cells is 'human', then you are wrong. A TUMOR is a non-sentient clump of cells.

Well, it seems your being slightly unfair. those "clump of cells" are considered to be "human" because without manipulation, they can become nothing else.

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A tumor is a lump of your cells and left to grow will never be more than a larger lump of the same sort of cells. An unborn at any stage is an individual human being. Left to grow, it will only grow and mature. It will not "turn into" something that it wasn't already.

Face it, your argument only works if you unilatarially redefine what a human being is. I have provided plenty of credible science that states explicitly that unborns at any stage of development are living human beings. To date, you have provided nothing to substantiate your postion and your credibility doesn't justify taking your word for it. Either provide some credible science that states that the offspring of two human beings is at some time something other than a human being, or shut up your mewling and accept that you are simply wrong or admit that you are nothing more than a flat earther who will hold to his faith no matter how much credible science you are facing.

The fact is that I haven't been proven wrong even once because you saying a thing doesn't mean jack unless you can corroborate it with some credible science to back you up. By now, it is obvious that neither you, nor any other pro choicer is going to be able to do it because no such credible science exitsts. You are the one who has been proven wrong over and over and you are the one who is completely unable to provide anything resembling credible science to support your position.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

He likes to talk and I suppose that he believes that if a stack of medical textbooks, and medical journals say one thing and he says something else, then his opinion outweighs biological fact. He certainly hasn't brought anything resembling science here to support his position of faith.

He apparently lacks the intellectual wattage to understand that human being is the kind of creature you are and not a product of the degree to which you manifest your potential. His argument is that of an uneducated hick. He says it so it must be true because he says so.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

Most people are not for abortions - they are pro-choice. The difference is simple: I don't agree with using abortion for birth control, nor would I (if I were a woman), have an abortion. My simple beleif is that my set of standards should not apply to others. Others have to set their own limits and live their lives the best way they can. It is not up to me to impose my set of beleifs on others. Simple huh?

(in other words - keep the f*** out of my business and I will keep the f*** out of yours)

thank you!

true. its just a legal lingistic issue, nothing of substance

I perfer to let karma deal with it (and once again mind my own business and stop the gov from controling us).
there could be spiritua; reprocussions (who knows?)

but there are physical ones
every single medical procedure has risks. the more of them you have the more risks you expose yourself to and the more side effects you suffer- and you are more likely to suffer harsher ones after you repeat a procedure multiple times.
care for your body or become ill- simple rule to follow.

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I'm so Obamafied

When other girls wanted to be a ballerina, I wanted to be a Vampire.

I agree. I think the government should stay out of peoples lives. I'm not possitive about this but where I live I think you are limited to 3 abortions.. Im not sure if that is federal or state legislation but I think it is a fair rule.

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