First, you would need to demonstrate in some way that a baby is more human than an unborn at any stage. From that point you can begin to make your argument that the right of one to not be inconvenienced outweighs the right of the other to live. Until such time as you can prove that unborns are something other than living human beings, however, any argument you can make must necessarily apply to all human beings.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

What is the difference? Mengele was able to experiment on jews because hitler declared that they were not human beings. Black human beings were enslaved in this country because the court said that they were not human beings. Unborn human beings may be experimented on in this country because the court said that they were not human beings. Do feel free to describe a difference.

If that is true, then surely there are credible texts that are stating that unborns are not living human beings. Of course, you know and I know that there aren't. The knowledge that we have gained with regard to unborns, however, has not come to us via experimentation. We have gained knowledge due to more sensitive tests, ultrasound, and the ability to actually view the unborn in the womb.

Breath. All pro choicers drag out that old saw. Breath, or breathing is the mundane (common, banal, ordinary, UNEDUCATED) word for respiration. Respiration is the sum total of the physical and chemical processes in an organism by which oxygen is conveyed to tissues and cells, and the oxidation products, carbon dioxide and water, are given off. Unborns are respiring from the time fertilization is complete. Your arguments just keep failing but you keep holding to your position. That, my friend, is what a flat earther does.

I have never suggested that unborns are not dependent. Can you provide legal precedent that suggests that dependence is a valid reason for one human being to kill another.

You remove all doubt that you simply don't understand developmental biology. Your appendix, your arm, leg, or even your cancer cells can all be identified by a second year lab student as belonging to your body. The child can be identified by the same student as belonging to a different individual.

Aside from that fact, I have provided ample credible science that proves you are wrong and yet, in the manner of all flat earthers, you keep arguing in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Your arguments get more and more childish in an attempt to prove your point. Next you will be mewling.


Let the mewling begin. The death of an unborn at any stage of development is the death of a human being. Do you consider the death of a human being equal to the loss of a limb? Your logic is failing.

And society once placed less importance on a black being worked to death like an animal in the field than any medical proceedure you wish to name because the law said that blacks weren't, in fact, human beings and therefore were of no more importance than animals.

The fact is that should you kill an unborn child while committing a felony, you will be charged for either murder or manslaughter. You can not be charged for either crime in this country unless you have killed a person. There are people in prison today having been charged, tried and convicted of killing unborns. Legal precedent for the personhood of the unborn has been established and will eventually be the reason for reversing roe.

Society has a long and illustrious history of being wrong. Take yourself for example. Even given credible evidence that unborns at any stage of development are human beings and being completely unable to provide any credible evidence to the contrary, you hold on to the position that it is still OK to kill them. We did it with blacks, we did it with native americans, and now we are doing it with unborns.

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"It's not alive, It's not alive, It's not alive. Because I said it isnt', there's your proof jerk." ...lexi

"As far as your logical fallicy shit - shove it. I am a woman."...naturemomma

We've been through all that, wad. Why do you feel you have to keeping sticking your nose up womens' vaginas?

cases like your are in the minority.

sometimes its not all luck of the draw. we can judge the probablity of someone leading a bad life- either one where they are abused, live in poverty, or will most likely committ crime.
abortion lowers the crime rate.

are you kidding me?
for a woman you don't know much about the body during pregnancy. very few women ever loose all their tummy fat, its never flat again. very few women can stop stretch marks during and after pregnancy. not to mention the effects it also has on your breasts.and hardly anyone ever gets their vaginas back to their original size.
do we have to discuss the pain factor? stress?

or the that pregnancy can severly alter and damage a woman's life?
besides harming her body it also effects her schooling, career, and day-to-day activities for almost a year.

if you are pro-life, you should want women to live as well. abortion can never be stopped, but can end illegal abortions where many women die.

and adoption isn't the beautiful save all anti-choice people make it out to be. many children aren't adopted. race is a huge factor in this. foster care is run-down, there is abuse, neglect, the children don't adject and recieve the proper attention during infantcy/early development, and most get out of the system with no where to go and no plans on how to begin their adult lives.

I will never understand how anyone can want to bring more people into this world who are likely to suffer. thats beyond cruel.
or how anyone can want the gov to control our bodies and take away our autonomy.
remember whether you are forcing a woman to abort or forcing her to carry a pregnancy it amounts to the same thing- you are controling her body, making her into an object, not a person.

if you don't like abortion than #1 don't have one and #2 work to make abortion less desirble. make better options for people to both prevent pregnancy and not want to terminate when they are pregnant.
very few people are willing to invest that amount of work into the issue.

abortion isn't the probelm, the need for it is. abortion is merely the symptom of the problems in many communities.
attacking a symptom won't fix the under lining issues. people will still need, want, and desire abortion rather they are legal or not.

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When other girls wanted to be a ballerina, I wanted to be a Vampire.

no sir you have mistaken my viewpoint. I don't feel that the fetus is property but that it is life who should have an opportunity to live just like anyone else. If I had it my way, if the father was a rapist he wouldn't have a say because he would have been executed. Murderers and pedifiles should lose thier privlage to exist.

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I am not sure what your obcession with rape and deformed/terminaly ill childeren are but these are much different and understandable circumstances. If that is the case then I understand but we are just talking about mothers who abort because they don't want to deal with a situation they put themselves into.

btw, is there such a thing as nonforced rape... because I was pretty sure thats what rape meant... lol

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many people want to make all abortion illegal- medical issues, deformaty, rape, ect
whose to decide when an anortion is purely elective?
abortion is never something that people get into or decide lightly.
no one knows a woman's life as she does and no one knows her reasons for her choice.

non-forcible rape means the victim was drugged.
there is a difference between forcible and non-foracible rape. they typically have different counts and other crimes attached to them.

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I'm so Obamafied

When other girls wanted to be a ballerina, I wanted to be a Vampire.

I am pretty sure that the definition of rape is sex against another persons will. In both the instances you described simply saying rape would be eficient... unless of cource he meant a woman can choose to be nonforcibly raped or he doesnt care what happens to those wemon lol

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a lot of people like myself, who consider themself prolife, can be suprisingly openminded about abortion in these circumstances. The ones who arent are radicals but you find that on both sides. I've heard somone say (not in this forum) that they think abortion should be legal until 2 weeks after the birth of the child. So there has to be some balance and some boundries to what is exceptable circumstances.

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there are wemon out there who use abortion almost as a form of birthcontrol. I think that there should be an abortion limit. There has to be a point after so many times where we lose sympathy for a woman and send her to prison for recklessly destroying life. If a person can have so little care for the life they create, after a while, they shouldn't be aloud to have control of thier own life. At least thats how I feel.

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