At what point do humans cease to be humane?

naturemomma · #51 (**permalink**) 04-30-2008, 10:59 PM

shut up you asshole troll. You aren't even worth a discussion, you have already proven you are a liar.

Suburbanite · #52 (**permalink**) 04-30-2008, 11:07 PM

no, i have not, shit for brains. please, disprove me, anytime, whenever you're ready. call me a troll, call me whatever you want, but the fact is, you wasted a shit load of my tax payer dollar not doing shit, id be shocked to find out you were anything but a burden on the people of kenya. i've done an extensive amount of research on the maasai, i suggest you follow suit, or please, stop "discussing" anything, I care? I'm the one with the facts, i got quotes, essays, scholarly journals, you're the one with a bullshit lie about peace corps

Lexi · #53 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 04:03 AM

Suburb, now I know why you're number 1 on the dumbest list.

naturemomma · #54 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 06:09 AM

You nailed it Lex, but hey, atleatst he spelled the peace corps right this time. Hahahahaaha...

FreedomForWho · #55 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 10:09 AM

O.o...Uh abortion?

FreedomForWho · #56 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 03:53 PM

Wolf? Where you at, you bailing out on this one?

Suburbanite · #57 (**permalink**) 05-02-2008, 06:20 PM

lol, the trend repeats itself, losers who cant stand to even debate against me are left humiliated and forced to comment on each others minor successes. lexi, if im so stupid, whats the make you? seeing as you copies one of my ideas and made it into a thread, and then proceeded to embarrass yourself. cant you even come up with your own shit? as for you peace corps faggot, i still have yet to see any proof behind any of your statements, even though i went further than i usually go and provided you with a direct quote from an academic journal specifically about the maasai. twat, keep finding more retards to agree with, it doesnt phase me you insecure social parasite.

Lexi · #58 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburbanite

lol, the trend repeats itself, losers who cant stand to even debate against me are left humiliated and forced to comment on each others minor successes. lexi, if im so stupid, whats the make you? seeing as you copies one of my ideas and made it into a thread, and then proceeded to embarrass yourself. cant you even come up with your own shit? as for you peace corps faggot, i still have yet to see any proof behind any of your statements, even though i went further than i usually go and provided you with a direct quote from an academic journal specifically about the maasai. twat, keep finding more retards to agree with, it doesnt phase me you insecure social parasite.

You self centered little bubblehead I never copied anything of yours and never would. Look at the comments and maybe even you can figure that out. If I embarrass myself it's not any of your fucking business is it. You should worry about you embarrassing yourself a little more if that's a big issue with you. It isn't an issue at all with me, I could care less what anyone on here thinks about me. Get a life you little parasite.

wolf_22 · #59 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomForWho

Illegal abortions do not decrease...

Speaking before the 93rd Congress of the US, Senator James Buckley stated: "Data from foreign countries having far longer experience with legalised abortion than we have had in the US, suggest that legalisation has no effect on the criminal abortion rate. In at least three countries, the criminal abortion rate has actually risen since legalisation. Legalised abortion moves the back alley abortionists into the front office where their trade can be practised without fear of criminal prosecution."

Reference:
The Least of These: What Everyone Should Know About Abortion, Curt Young, 1984, Moody Press, Chicago, IL, p215

Not to judge you on your opinion, but if you do believe in "God" and heaven, it is less likely for you to make it there given your views on this matter. ((Not an attack, just information))

Genesis 9:6 states that we are made in God's image and therefore our lives are precious and whoever takes the life of another human being, forfeits the right to his own life.

We are made by God; "For you created my inmost being. You knit me together in my mother's womb....Your eyes say my unformed body." Psalm 139:13-16 (cf: Is 44:24; Acts 17:24-25; Psalm 100:3; Job 10:8-12)

Because all life was created by God and belongs to Him, no one has the right to murder another human being. "You shall not murder." Exodus 20:13. The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood according to Proverbs 6:16-17. The Bible also teaches that we need to defend the weak and the helpless. "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves...defend the rights of the poor and needy." Proverbs 31:8-9 (cf Ps 82:3-4).

Abortion also has a negative effect on the health of the individual.

"Every study of induced abortions performed before the first live birth is consistent with an initial increase in risk of at least 50 percent," reports Dr Joel Brind, professor of endocrinology at Baruch College, City University of New York, who is also a breast cancer researcher on staff at Beth Israel Hospital and Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. He has also submitted his research on this subject to the Journal of the American Medical Association for peer review (Nov 1993).

During a woman's first pregnancy a surge of the hormone, oestrogen, causes the breast cells to divide, become mature, and capable of secreting milk. During this process of cell division they are more suscepible to carcinogens (cancer causing agents). If the pregnancy continues to full term the woman's breasts are then fully mature, the cells stop dividing rapidly and this counterbalances the initial surge of oestrogen. However, if the woman has an abortion, that natural process is interrupted. Her breast cells remain immature and are more susceptible to breast cancer.

Other studies agree with this position: In Brazil, more breast cancer patients reported having had abortions than did the control group. The rate of breast cancer among women in Finland increased with the number of abortions. The risk among Italian women with one of more legal abortions before a first live birth was increased by 42 percent. Among Chinese women who developed breast cancer before the age of 40, abortion before first full-term pregnancy led to an increased risk of 140 percent. The Soviets have one of the world's highest abortion rates and the incidence of breast cancer among Russian, Estonian and Soviet Georgian women tripled between 1960 and 1987. 14 Can South Africa afford the cost?

Even legal abortions are bad for you and unsafe...

"There are many complications that may arise from an abortion. It is not a 'quick fix' at all. The complications include: Ectopic pregnancies, Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (reported in up to 30% of all cases11), subsequent infertility and miscarriages, future premature births (often because of a cervix that was damaged during the previous abortion), small-for-dates babies and placenta praevia, which is 7-15 times more common among women who have had abortions than among those who have not."

Reference:
"Induced Abortion: A Risk Factor for Placental Praevia." by Jeffrey M Barrett, MD, American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, December 1981, p769

If children are viewed as expendable before birth, they will be viewed as expendable after birth. A study by Dr Phillip Ney, Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Christ Church, New Zealand, clearly pointed to the fact that abortion (and its acceptance of the violence of killing the unborn) lowered a parent's psychic resistance to violence and abuse of the born.

Reference:
Relationship Between Abortion and Child Abuse" by Dr P Ney. Canada Journal of Psychiatry, vol 24, 1979, p610-620

Would you say it is alright to murder a human being, as long as it is not a person???

sorry, got busy and skipped this thread.

abortion doesn't stop. if its illegal, we then have unsafe illegal abortions.
look at poland and some other nations right now that are feeling the effects of the abortion ban. look at coutnries that tried bans but lifted them after they failed. (heck one nation had an increase due to the fact that birth control was taken away and some women actual began to view abortion as a political protest)

the issues isn't legal status. its the need for abortions. the need and desire for abortions won't go away just because they are not legal.
you want abortions to stop ro decrease- figure out why people want abortions and try to make them less needed/desired.

I'm secure in my beliefs and how they relate to my spiritual relationship.

most women recover mentally after an abortion. very few would ever go back and change their actions. like anything that is this serious, there are amny emotions attached to the situation. studies have concluded that while some women feel depression or regret, for the most part they recover and are find afterward and do not regret their choice.
other things that are also difficult and emotional are legal as well- like divorce.

abortions so increase breast cancer by 50%. so if you had a 10% chance, you now have a 15% chance.
but smoking increases your risk of lung cancer by 300%. and other medical procedures also carry risks as well.

about 40% of all pregnancies result in early miscarriages. often times the woman doesn't know she is pregnant. our bodies are strong and can bounce back from things like this.
there are diffierent forms of abortion and their risks/effect on the body varies. perhaps we should suggest safer routes of abortion, such as herbal pills to induce a miscarriage.

I have never heard anything about abortion being connected to child abuse. frankly, I don't trust any religious school to give good unbiased info on these matters.
furthermore, once again you are assuming that the law reflects people's beliefs.
outlawing abortion won't change the minds of people who think it should be legal and don't view fetuses as alive. laws cant change the way people think or make them stop wanting/needing something.

I consider life and being a human to be based on our cognitive abilties. fetuses lack the abilty to feel, be aware, or think until week 14. they also exist at the expense of another- someone with feelings, awareness, thoughts, dreams, and autonomy.

abortion is never an easy choice. period.
many women in these situations struggle for a long time to decide what to do.
they take responcibitly for their body and their choices. they accept the consequences of their desidon to either abort, adopt, or parent.

abortion also benefits society. it lowers crime rate and stops the world from being popualted by children who will not be properly cared for.

the gov also shouldn't have say in these matters. we shoudl control our own bodies. its not much of a leap from stoping abortion to forcing people to reproduce. and eventual forbiding certain people to reproduce (IE abortion and sterilaization)

Suburbanite · #60 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexi

You self centered little bubblehead I never copied anything of yours and never would. Look at the comments and maybe even you can figure that out. If I embarrass myself it's not any of your fucking business is it. You should worry about you embarrassing yourself a little more if that's a big issue with you. It isn't an issue at all with me, I could care less what anyone on here thinks about me. Get a life you little parasite.

it is my business, you attempted to copy me, and ended up humiliating yourself, now you find every topic i post in and attempt to agree with the person i am debating. what a fucking nobody loser you must be.